RE: Evidence for Believing
October 3, 2019 at 6:43 am
(This post was last modified: October 3, 2019 at 7:08 am by The Grand Nudger.)
You need to make up your mind, Inq. Either you believe that a god is the ultimate brute fact, or you don't. This constant waffling and tendency to directly contradict yourself from post to post, while dropping textbook logical fallacies in "defence" of your god concept... is evidence of incompetence.
There's no point in going through catholic beliefs item by item.
-Do you think it isn't contrived? That it wasn't deliberately created?
--Do you not understand that even if you believe in the illogical "mysteries" of christ..they're still illogical?
---How many known facts does catholicism have to contradict before it "contradicts known facts"?
Lets not be an absolute mouth breather, okay? We get -plenty- of those, we don't need any more. It's okay that you believe based on faith, and not evidence or reason. OFC you do. It's okay that the church you belong to states loopy shit as a matter of fact....and hey, fwiw..you don't have to believe them to believe in gods, lol. Nor do you have to carry their water. It would be an impossible task. They've been fucking too many things up for too long. Something I've always found ironic about the judeo christian faith, is that a person doesn't have to be an irrational loon to come to believe it, but they so often do, or have to repeat the things irrational loons say...when they come here....to defend it.
Your gap argument is and always will be a gap argument. That's just the way it is. It's not a good argument, at all...but it obviously informs you. I think you might want to explore why it informs you, and why you reject other explanations.
For the rest of us.
Revealed truth isn't logically true, by definition. This is a fun tick of the logical apparatus that I've commented on before. A god that provides us with info no more provides us with a logical truth than a parent who tells a child not to do something just because.
There are requirements for truth, specifically truth of the type we've been discussing. Revealed theology is either fundamentally incapable of approaching that truth, or, in the event that it is, a useless addition to what must have already been notably true. At worst....a talkative god would be useless, at best, a middleman.
-but OFC there are no gods beyond the pages of magic books....so it's all a wash.
There's no point in going through catholic beliefs item by item.
-Do you think it isn't contrived? That it wasn't deliberately created?
--Do you not understand that even if you believe in the illogical "mysteries" of christ..they're still illogical?
---How many known facts does catholicism have to contradict before it "contradicts known facts"?
Lets not be an absolute mouth breather, okay? We get -plenty- of those, we don't need any more. It's okay that you believe based on faith, and not evidence or reason. OFC you do. It's okay that the church you belong to states loopy shit as a matter of fact....and hey, fwiw..you don't have to believe them to believe in gods, lol. Nor do you have to carry their water. It would be an impossible task. They've been fucking too many things up for too long. Something I've always found ironic about the judeo christian faith, is that a person doesn't have to be an irrational loon to come to believe it, but they so often do, or have to repeat the things irrational loons say...when they come here....to defend it.
Your gap argument is and always will be a gap argument. That's just the way it is. It's not a good argument, at all...but it obviously informs you. I think you might want to explore why it informs you, and why you reject other explanations.
For the rest of us.
Revealed truth isn't logically true, by definition. This is a fun tick of the logical apparatus that I've commented on before. A god that provides us with info no more provides us with a logical truth than a parent who tells a child not to do something just because.
There are requirements for truth, specifically truth of the type we've been discussing. Revealed theology is either fundamentally incapable of approaching that truth, or, in the event that it is, a useless addition to what must have already been notably true. At worst....a talkative god would be useless, at best, a middleman.
-but OFC there are no gods beyond the pages of magic books....so it's all a wash.
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