(October 15, 2019 at 12:38 am)snowtracks Wrote:(August 21, 2019 at 9:31 pm)Lek Wrote: I'm more of a philosopher than a scientist, but I'm taking what I understand from science and I'm philosophizing. If energy and matter cannot be created or destroyed, that means that they share an intrinsic quality with God. They have always existed with no beginning, and they will continue to exist into infinity. Those are qualities are also given to God. Could this match up in any way with a pantheistic understanding of the universe? If I use science as a basis for my understanding, there couldn't have been an occasion when nothing existed, so energy and matter could not have been created.Energy, matter, space, time are within the universe. The space-time theorems developed by Penrose, Hawking (is what ushered him to worldwide fame, circa 1970) proved the universe had a beginning. Science is only efficacious after the 1'st second.
Really? 1st second? Second is that magical a unit?
Science is not afficacious before the 0th second not because science is not efficacious in tell all there is regardless of when. It is because there is in principle no “before” the 0th second to tell.
So stop bullshitting so you can pretend there really can in principle be any gap into which god could be a worthwhile plug. Now get over it.
