(November 24, 2019 at 12:00 pm)Vicki Q Wrote: And yet it was a group of Jews who developed these ideas. And as discussed earlier in the thread, the interpretations, while different to the usual ones at the time, were well within reasonable interpretive bounds. That the OT meta-narrative, and associated prophecy, ends up with Jesus' resurrection is extremely do-able. The Gospels (far more than most Xians realise!) and the Epistles explain how this works at great length.False. That group of Jews already had an established body of prophecy before there ever was a jesus. They didn't have to come up with it de novo, they simply had to retcon an existing body of work.
Furthermore, they were not the only group using the very same prophecies to very different ends. The notion that it was only that group and no other doing so is bovine
(November 24, 2019 at 12:00 pm)Vicki Q Wrote: Xians trying to use fulfilled prophecy as a slam-dunk body of proof will struggle, but those who see it as the Early Church did, as a jigsaw puzzle that just got completed, can see how well it all fits together.Sure. It is fairly obvious how it was retro-fitted. What of it?