My argument for atheism +

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Jesus seems to have been the owner of just such a body - so..maybe some people might have proposed that, a little, lol....but you're still just carrying a bag of rocks for christianity Bel.  Why don't you broaden your horizons and make excuses for other gods?  What's wrong with them, whats the issue with a physical body?  Whats the issue with quantifiable effects and gods?  Why are we required, when talking about gods, to run from those things as fast as humanely possible?

Because @Belacqua understands, on a fundamental level, that he's arguing for something that's impossible to argue for. Like other Christian apologists, Bel seems to wish to cloud this concept in ambiguity to prevent anyone from being able to define what anything is, in concerns to god. If your argument is, "god surely must be tangible," his argument becomes, "Well what is tangible? How do you know god is tangible?" Ir your argument is, "There must be evidence of god," Bel will surely reply, "Well what is evidence? Maybe what some people consider evidence isn't what YOU consider evidence."

He is constantly attempting to muddy the waters, while never really providing an argument for what he actually thinks.

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I've been surprised by how many atheists think they can reject religious claims based on no viewpoint and no objective standards. They say that they just hear a claim and reject it and that's that -- they don't have to apply any logic, evidence, etc. To me, this is an indication that they may be insufficiently skeptical of their own standards of judgment, just because they aren't consciously applying such standards. 

It's encouraging for me to hear that you are not only conscious of your analytical process, but capable of skepticism about it.

If you're talking about atheists here, which I assume you are, since you seem to wish to represent some sort of "much needed opposition" here on the forums, then I think you're willfully ignoring the fact that plenty of people here have heard the same arguments for years and years on end... A lot of people here on this board are sick of dismantling the same, tired old arguments time after time, only to be met with Bible verses being quoted by the theist on the other end, in some weird, last-ditch effort to save face and exit somewhat gracefully from the conversation. Too many of us have heard the same old shit before, from the same Christians, who use the same logical fallacies, again and again, only to be told that we're all going to hell if we don't accept Jesus into our hearts.

It's nonsense Bel. A lot of us here have just done it too many times. So this lack of critical thinking you're talking about isn't a lack of critical thinking, many times, it's simply an unwillingness to repeat the tired old arguments of past, and engage in dozens and dozens of pages of debate, only to be met with some random theist, or some theist we've seen dozens of times before, quote John 3:16 or some other tired ass, overused Bible verse.

So, no. It's often not that we're unable to be skeptical of our own ideas, or that we're unable to be picky about our own "standards of judgment," it's simply that we've had these arguments time and time again and have no interest in doing it again.

And I think you know damn well how true what I'm saying is. You just have to play the devil's advocate though. Let me ask you, do you belong to any Christian forums, and provide a much needed opposition for them? Or is it just atheists you have a bone to pick with?