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What is your favourite positive argument for atheism/unbelief?
April 13, 2017 at 7:49 pm
Title is pretty much self-explanatory. So basically any argument that isn't "lack of evidence".
For me, I find that my favourite is the fact that basically all religions give humanity (and human concepts such as morality) a central role in how the universe works. This I find laughably naive when compared to our current understanding of reality, and really just serves to prove how flawed of an interpretation of the world religion is.
So, what is your favourite positive argument for atheism?
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Fact: Every time you eat a bite of cake, someone gets horsewhipped.
Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses.
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RE: What is your favourite positive argument for atheism/unbelief?
April 13, 2017 at 7:56 pm
Science.
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RE: What is your favourite positive argument for atheism/unbelief?
April 13, 2017 at 8:14 pm
When it comes to Christianity, the Bible contradicts itself on the nature of god. He is love personified but he's also a mass murderer that encourages slavery and religous cleansings.
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RE: What is your favourite positive argument for atheism/unbelief?
April 13, 2017 at 8:20 pm
(This post was last modified: April 13, 2017 at 8:25 pm by emjay.)
(April 13, 2017 at 7:49 pm)Lucanus Wrote: Title is pretty much self-explanatory. So basically any argument that isn't "lack of evidence".
For me, I find that my favourite is the fact that basically all religions give humanity (and human concepts such as morality) a central role in how the universe works. This I find laughably naive when compared to our current understanding of reality, and really just serves to prove how flawed of an interpretation of the world religion is.
So, what is your favourite positive argument for atheism?
Yes, and I guess one of mine is a kind of follow on from that; in putting humans at the centre of the universe like that, it doesn't take into account that humans are flawed. Man created in God's image? If so then God has mood swings, confirmation bias, makes bad emotional decisions etc. What I'm saying is it paints humans as entirely superior to animals... 'the rational animal' and it's simply not true (imo). We're not perfect and most of our decisions and beliefs are influenced by emotion to some degree or another, even when we are being rational.
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RE: What is your favourite positive argument for atheism/unbelief?
April 13, 2017 at 8:24 pm
(April 13, 2017 at 7:49 pm)Lucanus Wrote: Title is pretty much self-explanatory. So basically any argument that isn't "lack of evidence".
For me, I find that my favourite is the fact that basically all religions give humanity (and human concepts such as morality) a central role in how the universe works. This I find laughably naive when compared to our current understanding of reality, and really just serves to prove how flawed of an interpretation of the world religion is.
So, what is your favourite positive argument for atheism?
The inevitable presence of unreasonable suppositions in any alternative.
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RE: What is your favourite positive argument for atheism/unbelief?
April 14, 2017 at 8:32 am
All religions look exactly like easy answers to difficult questions.
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RE: What is your favourite positive argument for atheism/unbelief?
April 14, 2017 at 8:35 am
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Infinite regress just forces the special pleading fallacy ... and it's goes downhill from there... hehe
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RE: What is your favourite positive argument for atheism/unbelief?
April 14, 2017 at 8:40 am
(April 13, 2017 at 7:49 pm)Lucanus Wrote: Title is pretty much self-explanatory. So basically any argument that isn't "lack of evidence".
For me, I find that my favourite is the fact that basically all religions give humanity (and human concepts such as morality) a central role in how the universe works. This I find laughably naive when compared to our current understanding of reality, and really just serves to prove how flawed of an interpretation of the world religion is.
So, what is your favourite positive argument for atheism?
I really hate the suffix "ism" attached to what basically means "off". It is like accusing a light switch of having an ideology. "Off" is a position, not a political or religious view.
Having said that, yes, I agree. Most humans get sold the religions of their parents/societies they grow up in and are surrounded by. Our species perceptions of reality are notoriously flawed. That was then this is now. It was understandable back then when humans didn't have our modern understanding of science, but it does look absurd now.
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RE: What is your favourite positive argument for atheism/unbelief?
April 14, 2017 at 8:43 am
(April 13, 2017 at 8:20 pm)emjay Wrote: (April 13, 2017 at 7:49 pm)Lucanus Wrote: Title is pretty much self-explanatory. So basically any argument that isn't "lack of evidence".
For me, I find that my favourite is the fact that basically all religions give humanity (and human concepts such as morality) a central role in how the universe works. This I find laughably naive when compared to our current understanding of reality, and really just serves to prove how flawed of an interpretation of the world religion is.
So, what is your favourite positive argument for atheism?
Yes, and I guess one of mine is a kind of follow on from that; in putting humans at the centre of the universe like that, it doesn't take into account that humans are flawed. Man created in God's image? If so then God has mood swings, confirmation bias, makes bad emotional decisions etc. What I'm saying is it paints humans as entirely superior to animals... 'the rational animal' and it's simply not true (imo). We're not perfect and most of our decisions and beliefs are influenced by emotion to some degree or another, even when we are being rational.
Your son is created in your image that doesn't mean that he is smarter as you are at his age.
He will grow smarter of course but that it takes time.
The same thing goes for human beings before they emancipated to God level.
They will grow smarter and smarter like God but that takes time.
I guess you never thought about that Em, did you? 
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RE: What is your favourite positive argument for atheism/unbelief?
April 14, 2017 at 8:49 am
(April 14, 2017 at 8:35 am)ignoramus Wrote: Infinite regress just forces the special pleading fallacy ... and it's goes downhill from there... hehe
Please explain... how does infinite regress force special pleading?
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