RE: Time to embrace Islam!
December 10, 2019 at 5:33 pm
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2019 at 5:37 pm by R00tKiT.)
(December 10, 2019 at 5:06 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Myself? No.
But certainly a neutral scholar who is not a member of the religion or a priest who has a personal mission to promote it.
And since many of the priestly scholars can’t even agree...
Well, their disagreements shouldn't concern you at this point, assuming you truly are looking for an impartial judgement of the original texts.
(December 10, 2019 at 5:17 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: ? are you saying that the Quran is a black box only opens for Arabs ?
This is one big false claim that is used by Muslims who crack in front of arguments from non-Arabs. So they run from the embarrassment of failing at discussions by throwing this excuse in the faces of their foes.
How old are you kid ? I am going to kindly ask you to leave this thread since it doesn't concern you, and you're not really adding anything except make this religion look more complicated for these guys.
And don't think the fact that you're putting Muslim (nor Sunni nor Shia mind you people ) on your religious views will make what this BS somehow immune to harsh criticism.
(December 10, 2019 at 5:17 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Ask yourself; what kind of God reveals a book that is clear to Arabs but a black box to non-Arabs?
That is one troll of a God, that is racist too.
But opening the Quran and reading, we find this verse:
Atheists did contaminate you didn't they ?
Since you claim to be a Muslim, use less offensive words when talking about the all powerful deity, otherwise you'll get much more offensive ones from my side.
(December 10, 2019 at 5:17 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: The Quran is a cure for one's logic, one's mind and soul, as long as the reader "Understands" what's in it.
So it's up for those who understands it in Arabic to translate it; just like the ancient Muslims did.
Again: the Quran is all about meaning. Muslims even tried it once; they translated the Quran to all languages and it served as the constitution of huge foreign empires like the great Ottoman empire.
No pal. The Qur'an explicitly challenges all mankind to come up with something superior from an aesthetical point of view. It's far more than just "content"
Here's the verse in Arabic, just to check if you understand Arabic as you claim:
قُل لَّئِنِ اجْتَمَعَتِ الْإِنسُ وَالْجِنُّ عَلَىٰ أَن يَأْتُوا بِمِثْلِ هَٰذَا الْقُرْآنِ لَا يَأْتُونَ بِمِثْلِهِ وَلَوْ كَانَ بَعْضُهُمْ لِبَعْضٍ ظَهِيرًا
(December 10, 2019 at 5:17 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: No it's not. The orientalist sources in many times treat Muslims like cattle; see this video to understand -it's very short but worth your whole topic-:
Since they do, they're clearly not biased to our side. That's why I recommended it to these guys as a starting point. Just let them read what orientalists say about us, they can read.
(December 10, 2019 at 5:17 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Klorophyll,
So, do you have any evidence for god, or...?
I already said the only reliable way to know God is to check the prophets' claim'. Muhammad's claim is a good candidate for that for all the reasons I explained in this thread.