[Serious] Time to embrace Islam!

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? are you saying that the Quran is a black box only opens for Arabs ?
This is one big false claim that is used by Muslims who crack in front of arguments from non-Arabs. So they run from the embarrassment  of failing at discussions by throwing this excuse in the faces of their foes.

How old are you kid ? I am going to kindly ask you to leave this thread since it doesn't concern you, and you're not really adding anything except make this religion look more complicated for these guys.
And don't think the fact that you're putting Muslim (nor Sunni nor Shia mind you people  ) on your religious views will make what this BS somehow immune to harsh criticism.

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Of course I'm not leaving the topic; Benny. If you want to post personal topics, send PMs to those you want to talk to.

Ask yourself; what kind of God reveals a book that is clear to Arabs but a black box to non-Arabs?
That is one troll of a God, that is racist too.
But opening the Quran and reading, we find this verse:

Atheists did contaminate you didn't they ?  
Since you claim to be a Muslim, use less offensive words when talking about the all powerful deity, otherwise you'll get much more offensive ones from my side.

The "high horse"...it will drop you on your face, Benny, so watch it. High horses are never good.

The Quran is a cure for one's logic, one's mind and soul, as long as the reader "Understands" what's in it.
So it's up for those who understands it in Arabic to translate it; just like the ancient Muslims did.

Again: the Quran is all about meaning. Muslims even tried it once; they translated the Quran to all languages and it served as the constitution of huge foreign empires like the great Ottoman empire.

No pal. The Qur'an explicitly challenges all mankind to come up with something superior from an aesthetical point of view. It's far more than just "content"

Here's the verse in Arabic, just to check if you understand Arabic as you claim:
قُل لَّئِنِ اجْتَمَعَتِ الْإِنسُ وَالْجِنُّ عَلَىٰ أَن يَأْتُوا بِمِثْلِ هَٰذَا الْقُرْآنِ لَا يَأْتُونَ بِمِثْلِهِ وَلَوْ كَانَ بَعْضُهُمْ لِبَعْضٍ ظَهِيرًا

You can drop the "mysticism" and "secrecy" and bring the verses translated so the non-Arab readers can understand.

Here's the translated verse:

Sura 17, The Quran:

http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh

( 88 )   Say, "If mankind and the jinn gathered in order to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like of it, even if they were to each other assistants."

No it's not. The orientalist sources in many times treat Muslims like cattle; see this video to understand -it's very short but worth your whole topic-:

Since they do, they're clearly not biased to our side. That's why I recommended it to these guys as a starting point. Just let them read what orientalists say about us, they can read.

No. You don't advice people to read what is wrong, because the start point would turn into a direction of thought, with the reader prisoner inside; can't get out. All because a Benny suggested wrong and xenophobic starting points.