(October 18, 2011 at 9:51 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Quote:Kindly note my remark "at the time"
Yes, and I asked...and repeat "who?"
We have the alleged history of Tacitus blaming Nero but not a single other ancient writer - xtian or Roman - knows anything about it which strongly suggests that the passage is a fraud.
Suetonius makes a reference to Chrestus and his followers ( Chrestianos ) and later makes a reference to "Christianos" (Christians) but says nothing else and we may have had a later scribe merely correcting what he assumes to be a spelling error.
Otherwise - we wait until Lucian of Samosata making jokes about them in the mid 2d century and then Celsus who actually discussed their belief system even later in the 2d century.
Oddly, Celsus seems to suggest that some persecution by the authorities would be a good thing which suggests that it had not begun as of the time he was writing.
So in fact you do not have any scholarly information that contradicts what is written?
Your suggestion of fraud has no proof provided, only mere speculation.
It would seem that Tacitus was a respected historian and not Christian and it is escapes me why he would have claimed something which was untrue or a matter fraudulently entered. To what end? To distort history?
Let us stick to what can be proven from reliable sources.