Quote:Kindly note my remark "at the time"

Yes, and I asked...and repeat "who?"

We have the alleged history of Tacitus blaming Nero but not a single other ancient writer - xtian or Roman - knows anything about it which strongly suggests that the passage is a fraud.

Suetonius makes a reference to Chrestus and his followers ( Chrestianos ) and later makes a reference to "Christianos" (Christians) but says nothing else and we may have had a later scribe merely correcting what he assumes to be a spelling error.

Otherwise - we wait until Lucian of Samosata making jokes about them in the mid 2d century and then Celsus who actually discussed their belief system even later in the 2d century.

Oddly, Celsus seems to suggest that some persecution by the authorities would be a good thing which suggests that it had not begun as of the time he was writing.

(October 18, 2011 at 9:51 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Kindly note my remark "at the time"

Yes, and I asked...and repeat "who?"

We have the alleged history of Tacitus blaming Nero but not a single other ancient writer - xtian or Roman - knows anything about it which strongly suggests that the passage is a fraud.

Suetonius makes a reference to Chrestus and his followers ( Chrestianos ) and later makes a reference to "Christianos" (Christians) but says nothing else and we may have had a later scribe merely correcting what he assumes to be a spelling error.

Otherwise - we wait until Lucian of Samosata making jokes about them in the mid 2d century and then Celsus who actually discussed their belief system even later in the 2d century.

Oddly, Celsus seems to suggest that some persecution by the authorities would be a good thing which suggests that it had not begun as of the time he was writing.

So in fact you do not have any scholarly information that contradicts what is written?
Your suggestion of fraud has no proof provided, only mere speculation.
It would seem that Tacitus was a respected historian and not Christian and it is escapes me why he would have claimed something which was untrue or a matter fraudulently entered. To what end? To distort history?
Let us stick to what can be proven from reliable sources.

(October 6, 2011 at 1:26 pm)frankiej Wrote: Nah... Your religion is wrong.

But, do not look down! The Church of the Yogage is here to spread the great word of the the Yoga Lord originally brought to this earth by the Prophet, Sblob.

Praise the Yoga Lord!

He's an xtian: He has no need for facts or accuracy. He'll take any pretense or supposition, blow it full of "faith" and "belief" and will go for the bullshit gold.

Eternity of shit and yog-cocoons for this one.

"what I put forward for the reliability of the Bible is verifiable fact."

LOL. Based on-oh, right: the fact that the bible says so in your comfy translation which was prepared by men whose business it is to make that antiquated old dinosaur of a book sound reasonable to the modern English reader.

The "facts" you are citing are spelled with that invisible "f."