(December 25, 2019 at 6:11 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:(December 25, 2019 at 5:25 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: That;s the funny part. Imagine whatever shitty thing you have to about the poor and government and the relationship between them. Anything. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. The fact of their poverty is still the problem to solve - unless we want to kill the poor. If they cant afford food because they're lazy assholes and the government doesn't exist to help lazy assholes, since their individual welfare is unassociated with the general welfare....then fine, are we executing lazy assholes?
Fun fact, I remember reading Fundies Say the Darnedest Things, and it quoted a Progressive article about a "Romney Extremist" who said, and I quote, "Look, there's always something you can do. You telling me people can't make a choice for a better life? We have to help all of them? No. I'll tell you what really need to do with these illegitimate families on welfare—give all the kids up for adoption and execute the parents."
The author asked him to repeat that (multiple times), and he stood by his idea, and he even got the time to respond to the article and defend his idea (and his response was roughly "Everybody knows illegitimate kids are bad, so can you think of a better idea?")
The author says: "This is a local Romney headquarters in swing-state Virginia, not some far-right Tea Party fringe group (or maybe that’s what the GOP has become). This is, at least in growing part, today's mainstream GOP." And given that the Republican Party has only become a bigger dumpster fire in the intervening years, it would be legitimately surprising if this wasn't more common now.
(December 24, 2019 at 8:31 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Here in the US the constitution provides for the GENERAL welfare - not the INDIVIDUAL welfare.
Remember: as of last year, 38.1 million Americans live below the poverty line. That's 12.8% of the population. And it would be a lot higher (66.9 million, specifically) if not for our social welfare programs (source, the chart on page 10 of this Census report, which includes a net total of 28.8 million saved from poverty due to government programs.)
When we're talking about poverty and have this in mind, the distinction between General and Individual welfare isn't really a very meaningful one. When almost a quarter of the population is either poor or are saved from poverty only because of government programs, it looks like an issue of general welfare to me. Unless, of course, you're a Shigalyovist.
Ok... Cut out the middleman.
Give me YOUR income.....
Oh
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Not THAT interested in ending poverty, huh?
