RE: Poetry
January 9, 2020 at 3:05 pm
(This post was last modified: January 9, 2020 at 3:22 pm by WinterHold.)
(January 8, 2020 at 12:20 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Atlas, if you are serious about poetry and serious about improving, you need to find a high-quality workshop forum and be prepared for hard work and intense critique. I use everypoet.org. They are brutal, but you’ll get serious, valuable feedback from folks who have actually been published. It’s an amazing resource if you actually care about improving, but it will probably traumatize you if you’re just looking for people to tell you that you’re good. It’s up to you in the end, but honestly, there isn’t much we can do for you here on an atheist forum, ya know?
I visited the forum, read me a couple of poems.
But as I expected: the problem I have is that I can't quite understand the concept of English poetry in comparison to Arabic poetry.
Arabic poems are very hard to construct, and they must have a rhyme, keeping the rhyme with the consistent semantic is a must. English poetry seems about the semantic with weak focus on the rhyme -lol unless you are a rapper-
Ah, about me posting it here, actually I think I know that I know nothing about English poetry -_- song lyrics are not enough to teach you all about it
(January 8, 2020 at 1:19 am)Brian37 Wrote:(January 8, 2020 at 1:04 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Are you implying there is no skill or forethought required to create poetry that affects people? That concepts like word choice, syntax, tone, line breaks, sonics, and form are not important in crafting art in written form? If so, then you’re grossly underestimating the very thing you claim to love. Give the art of poetry a little more damn credit than that, will ya?
I am saying not everyone needs to write like Shakespeare. When you go to a bar, or to a friends house do you constantly talk like that?
ART is ultimately subjective. PERIOD!
Art is simply what works. THAT IS IT.
You do not get to decide what others like.
But some stuff do affect you strongly; check this song for example:
-Lyrics-
Some works of art strike you Brian, and drop their weight no matter what -green day are in The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame-.
(January 8, 2020 at 5:50 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(January 8, 2020 at 5:17 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: I never said anything about Shakespeare, holy hell. I’m saying poetry is an art form just like any other, and to do it well requires skill and practice, and an understanding of the fundamental concepts that make poetry poetry, rather than just personal journal ramblings. When someone is composing a song on the piano, is it a good song if they just start banging on keys? Or, in order to make a song that has the capacity to move the listener, must they have a basic grasp of the fundamentals of music theory; things like dynamics, octaves, harmony, key, pitch, intonation, melody, etc? If you want to just feel good, go bang on keys. If you want to make a song that can affect the person listening to it (that is the goal of all artwork of any form) you need to be familiar and practiced on these concepts. If you want to write for yourself; to get shit off your chest; by all means do whatever you want. If you actually care about how what you write makes other people feel, then you need to go study the fundamentals of how poetry achieves that goal. There’s really no way around that. Art is about creating an emotional experience for the experiencer, not the artist.
I think this pretty much nails it. Art is the attempt to elicit an emotional response. To do so successfully is going to require a set of skills. Great poets have these skills and are very, very good at employing them towards a particular end. While it is perfectly true that not everyone needs to 'write like Shakespeare', aspiring poets study him for a whole raft of very good reasons.
The whole post-modern notion that 'Art is whatever the artist decides it is' is so much rubbish.
Boru
The talent moves you to be honest. That's what I feel comparing to things I truly have a talent in
