The hijab (etc) is immodest

[EgoDeath]

"Hijab is symbol of oppression" is a vague statement,

I admit, it is a vague statement. Unfortunately, the specifics of the situation are even more alarming than the vague generalization I made earlier.

Specific situations where women are criminally prosecuted for not wearing their hijabs, or wearing hijabs that are not up to standard. Specific situations where women are whipped for attending a party with men. Or stoned for adultery... so on and so forth. You know, real whole cultural traditions that have nothing to do with oppression. Totes just a nice little tradition... Oppression, where? Not here, say I!

good to be a motto of an extreme rightist party, but the Muslim women who choose to wear the Hijab would disagree with you.

Yeah, that's a cute little tactic you're trying out there. The difference being, I openly criticize Christianity as well. I have my entire stay here at the boards and will continue to. I'm arguing for the freedom to wear whatever you want, unlike many Muslims who believe that women are obliged to do so and should be forced to do so. If I force you to wear a dunce cap under the threat of criminal prosecution and/or physical violence, it doesn't make the situation better for me to cry, "Yeah, but Atlas wants to wear the dunce cap!"

Just stop man.

Women have the right to wear what they want (.) full stop.
Don't make the mistake of turning into one of those rightists who assault women wearing the Hijab to strip them by force.

Totally agree that women have the right to wear what they want. The difference being that even if I think a Muslim woman is ignorant and misinformed for happily and willfully wearing a hijab, I'm not going to force her to do otherwise, because I don't believe in doing things like that to anyone, because people should be allowed to do what they want. This is in direct contrast with many extremist Muslims who truly believe they SHOULD be able to force a woman to dress a certain away, among other things.

Now, let me stop some of you guys before you even try it. Yes, I realize that most Muslims are not like what I'm describing, and that's great! If you, Atlas, are not one of these extreme Muslims, then good for you. But these extremist Muslims we all know about are following their little book down to the t, and this is wear these "traditions" come from.

My only hope is that if a woman does choose to wear a hijab, that she truly understands what that tradition is, and how it is something that is forced upon a lot of women around the world. So if she knows all of that and still chooses to wear one, I think that's unfortunate. But I'm not going to compel anyone to do anything other than what they want to do, because unlike many Muslims, I don't believe in forcing women to do things they don't want.

Stop trying to twist and turn my words around. If you want to have a real conversation here, let's do that.

If Mr. Ego wants to call the hijab a symbol of something, that's his own decision. He is making it a symbol of something that he himself has judged, but only to himself. His decision will have no weight with the many people who see it as having a very different meaning. And since it's their choice and their cultural tradition, only an egomaniac could try to declare otherwise. 

Well, no, this is not my interpretation alone. It is something that is forced on many women in many areas of the world. This is stuff that exists and occurs outside of what I think, LOL. And stop being so dramatically dense, Bel. You are much too smart to be falling for Atlas' nonsense. Reread my responses, please.

And relax with the childish antics...

OH, see what he did guys?! Ego is in my name, and then he took ego and used it in a different way to insult me! Woah! How insanely clever!

Just stop bel. Once again, you wana have a real conversation? I'm game. If you're gonna continue to act like a child, that's on you, but I'm embarrassed for you.