RE: Plantinga's "Free Will" defense contradicts Christianity
February 6, 2020 at 11:22 pm
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(February 6, 2020 at 11:39 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: You reject platingas argument in the strongest possible terms by insisting that god did make such a world, and that this world isn't that world.
His contention was that god not only did not, but could not create a world with free will, absent of moral evil.
God made a world where the issue of human salvation or damnation is played out. We have free will although that is not the only factor that determines our eternal fate. Predestination and grace are other factors, if factors is the right word. But given free will than moral evil is inevitable. If that is all Platinga is saying than, sure, God could not have given free will with one hand and eliminated human cruelty with the other. Not in this world anyway.
But then there is the pain not caused by human free will. I find claims that human suffering caused by illness or natural disasters will produce something positive in the future kinda dodgy. Like your faith will grow stronger or something like that. Maybe. Maybe not. People get bitter too. And then there is the issue of the pain of non human animals. In The Problem of Pain C. S. Lewis admitted to being stumped on this one. Non-human animals don't go to Heaven or Hell. That's the general view anyway. They just die. So pain can have no redemptive or spiritual value.
My own personal view is pain in this world often does not matter. A lot of it is just random and meaningless. Like other animals I avoid it. But it's temporary. It comes to an end. I think God could have created this world with a lot less physical pain. He could have created six thousands years ago and eliminated the long course of evolution which clearly involved a lot of physical pain. I don't think there is any logical impossibility in this. But He didn't.
So I'm on the side of those who do not think God created the best of all possible worlds.