RE: Is God a logical contradiction?
February 11, 2020 at 11:58 am
(This post was last modified: February 11, 2020 at 1:24 pm by John 6IX Breezy.)
(February 11, 2020 at 11:12 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:(February 10, 2020 at 8:06 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: "...those same things we take to be indicative of consciousness and conscience in humans, are also present in animals. You -strongly- insist that these observations are insufficient..." -Mr. Gae.
While you're away I'll leave you with this final thought. A toy furby will look at you, shake up and down, and tell you it loves you. These are all behaviors indicative of consciousness and empathy in humans. Would you not strongly insist that these observations are insufficient to know the furby is conscious?
Would you not strongly comprehend WHY those behaviors in a furby aren't equivalent to, say, a female chimp risking her life to protect her closest female associate from an aggressive male?
Why aren't they equivalent? Because one is alive? Because a chimp seems more complex than a furby?
I'm not fully on-board with behavioral genetics, nor am I a computer scientist. Nevertheless, I'm sure most people here have read the Selfish Gene; in particular the part about bees and foul brood, and the association between a bee's behavior and its genetic underpinning. It shows how a behavior can result from the presence of a gene. You say a furby isn't equivalent to a chimp, but what's the difference between a furby/computer's behavior being regulated by codes, and an animal's behavior being directly or indirectly regulated by genes? In neither case do we have sufficient information to know the behavior is accompanied by any kind of conscious experience. Consciousness is often more about being than doing.
Take the amygdala for example. The public tends to view it as the "fear center" of the brain; but people in the field view the role of the amygdala as threat detection and defense, things like fight-or-flight response, etc. Why is this important? Because the mechanisms of behaviors such as fight-or-flight are not the same as those responsible for the feeling of fear. The feeling of fear is being processed elsewhere in the brain such as the cortex. That means that observing behaviors such as an animal running away from a predator, which we associate with feeling afraid, does not inform you whether or not the organism is experiencing fear. There's a distinction between the parts of the brain that are responsible for executing the behavior, and the parts of the brain that are correlated with the experience of feeling it. The amygdala does its work unconsciously, whereas fear is conscious. Similarly, protecting your closest female associate from an aggressive male sounds like a threat detection/defense mechanism. Geneticists have formulas such as Hamilton's Rule showing how alleles causing altruistic behavior can spread.
So again, you're better off looking at a furby wiggle its ears and infering it was conscious.