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My argument for atheism +
RE: My argument for atheism +
(February 14, 2020 at 1:50 am)Tom Fearnley Wrote: No argument for God gives evidence for the immaterial thing being intelligent. 

Several arguments for God give reasons why they think that a creator would have to be intelligent. 

Not intelligent in the way that people are intelligent -- a God would be different -- but intelligent nonetheless.

Quote:We can agree to: 1) The universe began to exist. 2) It was created by something immaterial.

If you're talking about arguments for a creator, many of them do not say that the universe began to exist. Plato, Aristotle, and others thought that the universe is probably eternal, with no beginning. Aquinas thinks the universe began, but says that this fact must be taken on faith; there is no argument for it. When these people talk of a creator, they are talking about something which sustains the universe in being. Something without which the universe would not be. They are not talking about a temporal origin.

It may be that you're arguing against a specific kind of naive Christian theology. But you're not addressing many of the classic arguments.
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My argument for atheism + - by Tom Fearnley - November 22, 2019 at 10:22 pm
RE: My argument for atheism + - by Southern Atheist - November 22, 2019 at 11:12 pm
RE: My argument for atheism + - by Tom Fearnley - November 23, 2019 at 4:06 pm
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RE: My argument for atheism + - by Tom Fearnley - November 23, 2019 at 4:12 pm
RE: My argument for atheism + - by Alex K - November 28, 2019 at 11:50 am
RE: My argument for atheism + - by Mister Agenda - November 23, 2019 at 4:10 pm
RE: My argument for atheism + - by Tom Fearnley - November 23, 2019 at 5:12 pm
RE: My argument for atheism + - by Southern Atheist - November 23, 2019 at 5:33 pm
RE: My argument for atheism + - by Grandizer - November 23, 2019 at 7:23 pm
RE: My argument for atheism + - by Tom Fearnley - November 23, 2019 at 7:05 pm
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