Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position

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I'm obviously not hearing anything that I want to hear...what with what I'm hearing being the reason I couldn't be a member of your club.  I really don't need a stronger case for why I do or don't join any club. 

Your club says things I can't co-sign, therefore I'm not interested in being in your club.  This can't be hard to understand. 

You do need a stronger case when you call someone whose even sleep position is imitated by millions of people, a child molester. But you didn't go further than simple name calling when asked about a justification.

I'm the judge and jury over whether or not I can join a club, and why, Kloro.  Your founder was evil and your religion is morally abhorrent.  Not objective enough?  What would be, you tell me. 

How is calling someone evil and walking away objective? Define evil within your moral system. That's a very difficult challenge already, I think.

@Klorophyll

Why should I believe a god exists? What are the reasons that should persuade me, or any other rational adult?

I think what we know so far about the universe being tuned for us, makes anyone who claims we came here by chance absolutey dishonest. If I remember correctly, you already seem to agree that something can't come from nothing. Since we are mortal beings, and there has to be always something, doesn't that warrant then an eternal cause, at least, whose properties can be inferred from its effects?

Prometheus and Dike were worshipped by the Greeks of antiquity. Prometheus formed humans from clay and gave them the gift of fire stolen from the gods. Zeus had him tortured horrifically for the latter. Dike, daughter of Athena, was the personification of justice, the spirit of moral order, and fair judgment. Presumably she doesn't fault us for not worshiping her as long as we don't better, after all, that would be unjust.

I see you're cherrypicking what you answer to. Anyway, your Prometheus story doesn't solve the problem, I really don't think there was a Greek messenger preaching Prometheus' message wholeheartedly, like Muhammad did, for example. If the Greek Gods didn't send anyone, nor left a revelation, nor performed miracles witnessed by crowds of people, then they are fictitious, and the Greeks were wrong.

Greek gods aside, did Muhammad exist historically according to you? And did he willingly fake his prophecy, or was he convinced by some epileptic disease that he sees angels and stuff ?

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We know that you didn't choose the attributes, but humans did. Your god is completely made from imagination of the human mind, the same as any other god.

Your god is nothing special or unique. You've not provided anything that in any way would make me think different.

How is "special or unique" even relevant? This is actually the problem with any atheist or skeptic, they stopped being impressed or wondered, every thought about God becomes ordinary, therefore false, in their eyes.