RE: Is God a logical contradiction?
February 22, 2020 at 12:17 pm
(This post was last modified: February 22, 2020 at 1:23 pm by John 6IX Breezy.)
(February 22, 2020 at 7:37 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Speaking of Chalmers, the p-zombie conjecture is a thought experiment designed explicitly to reject the notion that we can observe the correlates of consciousness...
These views place him well outside of the consensus in cog sci...
This is why Chalmers is careful to assert not that we observe the correlates of consciousness, but that we observe behaviors..correlates of brain activity.
That’s very interesting; are you aware that Chalmers has been instrumental in defining what neural correlates of consciousness are lol? He's set the foundation that helps many scientists search for them. Its not uncommon to come across cognitive scientists using his definition:
- “Chalmers provided a foundational work concerning this notion, in a paper entitled, 'What is a neural correlate of consciousness?' His paper is widely cited, as is his definition of the NCC: ‘An NCC is a minimal neural system N such that there is a mapping from states of N to states of consciousness, where a given state of N is sufficient, under conditions C, for the corresponding state of consciousness’” (Miller, 2014, p. 1).
Since I understand you may not have access to Chalmers’ paper, here’s a few excerpts to help you get a feel for his thoughts on the neural correlates of consciousness. Notice they tend to echo mine:
- “To find an NCC, we need to find a neural system that correlates with certain conscious states. To do this, we first need a way to know when a system is in a given conscious state. This is famously problematic, given the privacy of consciousness and the philosophical problem of other minds. In general, we rely on indirect criteria for the ascription of consciousness. The most straightforward of these criteria is verbal report in humans, but other criteria are often required” (Chalmers, 2000, p. 34).
- “Defining an NCC solely in terms of correlation seems to capture standard usage best, and it also makes the search more clearly defined and the methodology clearer. Correlations are easy for science to study. It also means that the search for an NCC can be to a large extent theoretically neutral rather than theoretically loaded. Once we have found an NCC, one might hope that it will turn out to be a system dedicated to consciousness, or that it will turn out to yield an explanation of consciousness, but these are further questions. In the meantime the search for an NCC as defined poses a tractable empirical question with relatively clear parameters, one that researchers of widely different theoretical persuasions can engage in” (p. 37).
Refences: -Miller SM (2014) Closing in on the constitution of consciousness. Front Psychol 5:1293
-Chalmers, D. J. (2000). “What is a neural correlate of consciousness?,” in Neural Correlates of Consciousness: Empirical and Conceptual Questions, ed. T. Metzinger (Cambridge, MA: MIT Press), 17–39