Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position

[LadyForCamus]

Either of you two god botherers ever wonder why the god who made us by magic from clay would need to make oceans to support us?

You can keep wondering about all kinds of stuff being not the way you think it should be if we were indeed fine tuned. It all boils down to : fine tuned universe = heaven. And that's absolutely wrong because one can't justly live in heaven without deserving it, that's what a just God would do, and that's exactly what you have.

A just God wouldn't give one heaven a priori, he would give a reasonably flawed world. The next thing depends on one's performance in it

In any case, it is absolutely ridiculous to be amazed or surprised by the fact that everything a creature needs to exist, exists, when we observe that the creature does, in fact, exist.  It would be more wondrous, and more indicative of something unknown, if we found fish living on a planet with no oceans, no water.  Same goes for man.

Everything is surprising, we just get used to stuff, and that's the real issue. The clever thing to do is to continue to wonder despite the fact that we figured out how certain things work.

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Seems we’ve drifted a long way away from Klorophyll demonstrating the existence of his god.

This topic is not about the existence of God, nevertheless I already answered your request pages ago.

I think what we know so far about the universe being tuned for us, makes anyone who claims we came here by chance absolutey dishonest. If I remember correctly, you already seem to agree that something can't come from nothing. Since we are mortal beings, and there has to be always something, doesn't that warrant then an eternal cause, at least, whose properties can be inferred from its effects?

1. That the universe is fine tuned is a bald assertion, not an explanation. 
2. Whether or not there was always something tells us nothing about the existence of any kind of intelligent being.