RE: Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position
March 1, 2020 at 9:53 pm
(This post was last modified: March 1, 2020 at 10:09 pm by The Architect Of Fate.)
(March 1, 2020 at 9:47 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: The word "god" is an unknown value that describes nothing until it has been shown to exist.Agreed till then all his proclamations are pointless
It's as meaningless a word as the word "flerb"
What's a flerb you may ask ?
It's an infinitely long zhanjk and you have no idea what a zhanjk is.
A god isn't powerful until you can show that it exists. Until then, it has ZERO power.
Things that don't exist, can't do anything. They have zero power.
Asserting that a god creates all the natural laws that allows for a snowflake to exist is meaningless until you show that the god you claim exists, actually exists.
When I can replace the word god with flerb in your sentence and it still makes as much sense as when you first typed it, that's when you know that you really have no real definition for a god.
Flerb creates all the natural laws that allows for a snowflake to exist.
(March 1, 2020 at 9:53 pm)Objectivist Wrote:I became convinced by means of reason, Klorophyll. I'm not a skeptic, I'm an Objectivist and 1: I'm under no obligation to disprove every deity that mystics dream up, that would be a never-ending job, 2: I'm not asking you to agree with me, it's enough that I know, and 3: If by a deity you mean some kind of supernatural being, then I don't think such a thing is possible, to begin with. The notion of the supernatural is fraught with contradictions and stolen concepts.(March 1, 2020 at 8:04 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: [quote pid='1959678' dateline='1583021679']
It's only dishonest if one knows there is no god but claims to be agnostic. I was once an agnostic theist. I didn't know if there was a god but I wanted there to be and I believed there was (for really bad reasons). I was being honest. I then stopped believing that there was a god even though I wasn't sure there wasn't one. I was an agnostic atheist. I was being honest. Then after much study and thought I became convinced that there was no god and there never could be.
I am curious to know how you became convinced that there is no god. There are very few atheists who make such a claim, not even the most hardcore skeptic can claim to have an argument against any possible deity.
(February 29, 2020 at 8:14 pm)Objectivist Wrote: Rather than be dishonest and say I was an agnostic atheist because people wouldn't like it much if I said I was a hard atheist, I chose to be honest and stated that I was a strong atheist, after all I don't care what people think of me. I'm going, to be honest, no matter who doesn't approve. So you see, at no point in my life have I been dishonest with regard to this issue.
There is no way for me or anyone to check that you're truly honest. We should either just take your word for it, or ask you to clarify your reasons for asserting that there is no god.
No, there's no way for you to know if I'm being honest. No more can you know that all those who claim to be agnostic are being dishonest. Errors of knowledge are not necessarily dishonest. Dishonesty is a breach of morality, errors of knowledge are not. Errors of knowledge can be corrected. Evasion, and willfully faking reality are deliberate acts which are chosen.
If you really want to know my reasons, you'll find them in the Objectivist Metaphysics and the Objectivist theory of concepts.
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Indeed one has no obligation to prove any possible god false .
25 pages in and all we gotten from this clown is
1. Strawmen and ironically stereotypes of unbelievers
2. Awful defenses of Islam
3. Tired worn out apologist arguments. Then awful defenses of said arguments
4. Assertion and assertions atop those assertions
All in all a typical theist thread
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