RE: Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position
March 3, 2020 at 5:48 pm
(This post was last modified: March 3, 2020 at 6:07 pm by LadyForCamus.)
(March 1, 2020 at 6:17 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:(February 28, 2020 at 6:47 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Except that we do know, lol.
https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/a...flake-made
I didn’t see ”hand-designed by a god” mentioned anywhere in that article. Even if god were the one who set all the natural laws in motion in order to allow for snowflakes to form, it’s still a natural formation that is no mystery to scientists.
I really think you didn't understand a word I've written.
I don’t think you understand the problems with the words you’ve written. You are equivocating definitions of the word “design”:
Quote:de·sign
1. A plan or drawing produced to show the look and function or workings of a building, garment, or other object before it is built or made.
synonyms:
plan, blueprint, drawing, scale drawing, sketch, outline, map, plot, diagram, delineation, draft, depiction, representation, artist's impression, scheme, model, prototype, proposal
"an architect submitted a design for the offices"[/size][/font]
2. An arrangement of lines or shapes created to form a pattern or decoration.
"pottery with a lovely blue and white design"
synonyms:
pattern, motif, device; More[/size]
When asked what evidence you have that the world is designed, you use definition 1., pointing to things like chairs, cars and other man-made things. Then, when it’s pointed out to you that there are things in the world that appear man-designed (definition .1), but actually form naturally, you slip into definition .2 and attempt to blur the lines between the two definitions, not because there is a good reason to do so, but because it rescues your argument. It’s a fallacy. You’re also assuming your conclusion when you assert that natural phenomena (i.e. snowflakes) are set into motion by a designer god, and that this is evidence that the world is designed by god, lol. Another fallacy. You need to go back to the drawing board and come up with an argument that isn’t fallacious.
(February 28, 2020 at 6:47 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Do you believe each snowflake was hand designed by a god?
Quote:Your question is ill-formed. "The entire universe and all of its physical laws" [/i]seems a lot of work only to us[/i], I'll make it clearer : there is no logical problem with a god bringing a slice of pizza into existence through billions of years of extremely complicated quantum operations. "billions of years" and "extremely complicated" are an additional unnecssary cost only for creatures, not for a deity with infinite resources. Wasting time and resources is undefined for any entity with infinite attributes.
And yet, he couldn’t have brought that pizza, or people, for that matter, into the world unless every single thing that came before it was just so, right? So, god is at the mercy of the physical laws of nature? I’ll ask you the same question I asked Bel: how could one tell the difference between a snowflake that formed naturally in a world designed by a god, and a snowflake that formed naturally in a world that was not designed by a god?
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.
Wiser words were never spoken.