Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position

[Abaddon_ire]

Correct. And If you asked him, he would give that answer. He believes in no god/s, he is unsure/on the fence, or he believes in some god. 

Now ask him. Pin him down for a solid answer. No judgment from here about whatever answer that might be. But plenty of judgment for evading the question.

In any event, you waste time asking me. Ask him. I am not in his head.

Aaaaaand, you’ve gone and missed my point entirely.

I think not. Sure, it is not unusual for the in group to gang up. I get that. It is largely unwarranted and I eschew it.

Nevertheless, I have no issue pointing out dishonesty. In groups and ganging up are irrelevant in such a case. Dishonesty is dishonesty. There is no way to coat dishonesty in a magic sugar pill.

In groups and gang mentality can go live in whatever bubble as far as I am concerned. Honesty/dishonesty is a very black and white issue and I have little tolerance for it. One is either honest, or one is not.

We are not talking the little "fudge" or "white lie" here. Everyone does that. We are talking the honking great freight train of BS.

Now you can colour me cynical, but lying for jebus is a thing. I have seen it over and over again. Mostly, it is trivially dealt with. But some originate a slimey new version of the tactic. Those in the atheist community of a pleasant, benign disposition ( which I once was) fall for it.

Not any more. I am too old and cynical to be lead up that garden path again.