Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position

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Kloro, could you answer a few questions about the nature of your god ?

Does your god have morals ?

Of course. Although I find your question slightly ill-formed. God is morality, in a way.

Does your god care about the well being of human beings ?

He obviously does. What happens around us, though, leads many people to believe that it's not the case. We're so tied the here and now reality, we can't fully grasp the idea of an afterlife making up for every injustice in this world, no matter how tiny and irrelevant.

From your own evaluation of your god's actions, would you consider it to be good or evil ?

I don't exactly get what you mean by "god's actions". If you mean by that our creation, then it's actually a too-good-to-be-true - and true! - action god did on our behalf, with nothing in return.

I will hold on on answering the following question until you clarify what you mean by "god's actions".

Does your god control any action in the universe ?

If you role a pair of dice, does your god control any aspect of the result when the dice come to rest ?

God does control everything including the result of a rolling dice. Actually, it's sometimes possible even for you to predict the result, that is, if one side of the dice is somewhat favored in a subtle way. If you have the finest eyesight imaginable, you can perfectly follow the trajectory of the dice falling and anticipate the result. It's not hard then to say that, for an all-knowing deity, it's not so much of a challenge.

How does your god feel about the following that cause harm and suffering to people ?

(Diseases, viruses, bacteria, starvation, suicide, rape, murder, genocide, war, torture, convicting innocent people to prison for life, kidnapping, the wholesale slaughter of millions of animals each day to feed people.)

Thank you for taking the time to answer these questions.

Any form of suffering happens for a finite amount of time. And the deity that allowed that to happen made sure an afterlife will make up for all this. I know this is something we can't possibly wrap our heads around, that all the sick things that happen in this world are too overwhelming for most of us. But it's us who judge how painful suffering is, it's us who think that a certain crime is horrific, so horrific not even a deity can do justice to it. It's only us, and we can't be judge and jury in the whole case. Only this external entity can truly judge how much suffering is really unjust suffering, and make the right decisions without any human bias.

"How does your god feel" is a nonsensical question. Feelings are - to wear the evolutionary hat for our purpose - are evolved chemical reactions creatures have, that make anything preventing survival as painful and unpleasant as possible. Namely, they don't have any objective value. If you want God to have these feelings as well, you simply want to anthropomorphise him.

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It’s not our fault your argument is laden with fallacies, dude.

I didn't intend for that to be an argument. I was simply stating what I think is the right approach regarding these big questions.