A possibly new perspective on this thing that we know as God.

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1. I said the conversation is between the person and God. I never said the person will lose free will / choice. It's a process if independent investigation for ones self. Your still trying to look for God physically which is a mistake.

2. I wasn't talking about you in particular. I was talking about the forum in general. And why would you call me a liar?

3. Human don't create death, that comes automatically.


Let me ask you something:

Can the animal invent things?

Can the animal create develop highly advanced technology?

Can the animal build a city?

Can the animal build an entire state?

Can the animal build whole countries and entire civilizations?

How about this one for you: Can the animal go into orbit/space travel?

All of those things are manifestations of the divine reality that only the human being has.

Response to 1: Your god and me, you are not necessary. Stop preaching.

Response to 2: I call you a liar because your original post didn't say "I'm this religion and here to answer questions, please ask me". The OP stated religious beliefs. Do I need to copy/paste?

Response to 3: Nice non-responsive dodge.

On to the questions:

Chimps and birds invent tools.

I don't have an animal example of technology. Have you ever thought that they don't find it necessary? To bad they can't invent killing machines, right?

Ants and bees build cities for themselves all of the time.

Apes build social states/civilizations. So do insects. They even go to war.

Yes, animals can and have gone into space. (oops, maybe you should be more careful with your questions)

You were mistaken on all of the questions positions but one. Better that you don't play this childish game. And even it I answered no to all of the questions I would not consider that a valid argument for your religion or god. Bottom line, you don't get to argue a god into existence, and that wasn't even a good argument.

Your god is a figment of the human imagination. One that you probably wouldn't have come up with on your own, it's the result of religious programming you've received.

1. That's essentially what I just said.

2. This is not about me changing my original post, even though I haven't. Questions are asked on the forum and I try to answer them it's just that simple. You don't have to ask me anything, you don't even have to reply.

3. So how is it a nonresponsive dodge?


Chimps and birds doesn't "invent" anything. All that can do is by instinct, use the natural resources directly around them to make very simple things like nests and sticks to grab insects. That is a farcry from things we human beings can invent.

Animals don't find it necessary and they can't find it necessary, they will never have that capacity.

Do you mean to tell me right now that mere ants and bees can build cities exactly just like the technically advanced cities that human beings build, are you serious?

Once again, are you telling me that mere apes can build
technically advanced social states/civilizations just like humans can?

Yes, other animal has gone into space, and guess what, "human beings sent them there."

"you don't get to argue a god into existence."
Now I'm kind of confused about that statement. I thought that atheists wanted a good argument about God's existence???

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LadyForCamus, we only know through the divine names and attributes of God that we all display and manifest to the physical world. We have to stop trying to put God under a microscope because that will never happen. God is far beyond the physical universe.

So, I ask for evidence for an assertion you make, and you answer with more bald assertions, lol. Cool story bro. I have an invisible dragon in my basement. I can’t show him to you though, because he’s immaterial. Maybe, someday he’ll reveal himself to you; when you’re ready with an open heart. 

There you go again, you want physical evidence for a non physical entity.

Let me ask you something about the example you just gave. Forget that the dragon is invisible, what is the reason and the meaning of the dragon doing in your basement in the first place?

We're always looking for a physical spectacle, but we deny the spiritual and divine meanings of things.