RE: A possibly new perspective on this thing that we know as God.
March 10, 2020 at 1:17 pm
(This post was last modified: March 10, 2020 at 1:21 pm by unityconversation.)
(March 8, 2020 at 2:59 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:(March 7, 2020 at 6:05 pm)unityconversation Wrote: You said: "So, for the sake of total clarity, do you think we will never discover god"?
Yes, we actually discover God every day through human beings.
Wait... You just said, "So the perspective that I have is that, we will never fully and completely know God."
But now you're saying that we can "discover god every day through human beings."
Which one is it?
And what does discovering god every day through human beings actually mean, specifically?
(March 7, 2020 at 6:05 pm)unityconversation Wrote: You said "I mean we first have to establish that a god exists in order for one to somehow have a relationship with that god."
We establish that God exists by listening to the divine teachings of the current Prophet / Messenger / Manifestation.
How do divine teachings prove the existence of god?
(March 7, 2020 at 6:05 pm)unityconversation Wrote: You said: "Furthermore, even if a god did exist, how do you know it would be interested in having some kind of psychic relationship with you?"
Well as I said earlier God is beyond the physical universe and beyond anything that we know, so we will never know God completely, that is His core essence.
How do you know that god "is beyond the physical universe and beyond anything that we know"
Also, you just said that we can discover god every day through humans, but now you're saying we can never fully know god... Which one is it? What is the difference between discovering and knowing god? You're not making any sense.
(March 7, 2020 at 6:05 pm)unityconversation Wrote: But by knowing the human reality, we can know a good number of things about God. And this is especially true with the Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations.
What does "knowing human reality" even mean? Be specific. And how do you know anything about god?
You said: How do divine teachings prove the existence of god?
It is the combination of the divine teachings and the life of the Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations that prove the existence of God.
Even though the common human being can display all of the names and attributes of God at the highest level, there is a level beyond that.
The Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations can manifest the names and attributes of God to the physical world at the highest level "perfectly."
So the thing is, if you "really" want to know God, the "absolute" best way to do that is to know the Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations.
You said: "How do you know that god "is beyond the physical universe and beyond anything that we know"
We know that through the teachings of Baha'u'llah. He is the current divine educator of God for this time and age.
You said: "Also, you just said that we can discover god every day through humans, but now you're saying we can never fully know god... Which one is it? What is the difference between discovering and knowing god? You're not making any sense."
We can't know God in terms of His core essence, that will never be known. But the other things of God like His names and attributes can be known. And we discover those every day with human beings.
(March 10, 2020 at 1:17 pm)unityconversation Wrote:(March 8, 2020 at 2:59 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: Wait... You just said, "So the perspective that I have is that, we will never fully and completely know God."
But now you're saying that we can "discover god every day through human beings."
Which one is it?
And what does discovering god every day through human beings actually mean, specifically?
How do divine teachings prove the existence of god?
How do you know that god "is beyond the physical universe and beyond anything that we know"
Also, you just said that we can discover god every day through humans, but now you're saying we can never fully know god... Which one is it? What is the difference between discovering and knowing god? You're not making any sense.
What does "knowing human reality" even mean? Be specific. And how do you know anything about god?
You said: How do divine teachings prove the existence of god?
It is the combination of the divine teachings and the life of the Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations that prove the existence of God.
Even though the common human being can display all of the names and attributes of God at the highest level, there is a level beyond that.
The Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations can manifest the names and attributes of God to the physical world at the highest level "perfectly."
So the thing is, if you "really" want to know God, the "absolute" best way to do that is to know the Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations.
You said: "How do you know that god "is beyond the physical universe and beyond anything that we know"
We know that through the teachings of Baha'u'llah. He is the current divine educator of God for this time and age.
You said: "Also, you just said that we can discover god every day through humans, but now you're saying we can never fully know god... Which one is it? What is the difference between discovering and knowing god? You're not making any sense."
We can't know God in terms of His core essence, that will never be known. But the other things of God like His names and attributes can be known. And we discover those every day with human beings.
The human reality just means the spiritual reality of the human being, not physical. The spiritual reality of the human being are things like the divine qualities that we display and manifest to the physical world.
