RE: Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position
March 10, 2020 at 1:43 pm
(This post was last modified: March 10, 2020 at 1:52 pm by Simon Moon.)
(March 5, 2020 at 3:35 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: In a world without a god, skullfucking your neighbors' kid is simply skullfucking your neighbors' kid, no Eww/Ughh reactions allowed.
In a world without a god, skullfucking your neighbors' kid can be justified from an utilitarian viewpoint, if the neighbors' kid is a haemophiliac infant.
Again, right and wrong are red herring in this context. I agree we all have this inherent moral compass that prevents us from allowing such stuff. But this inherent morality in itself warrants an explanation.
This kind of sentiment from a theist always scares the crap out of me.
First of all, utilitarianism does exactly the oposite of what you saying here, is the 'utilitarian viewpoint'. Utilitarian moral theory places the locus of right and wrong solely on the outcomes (consequences) of choosing one action/policy over other actions/policies. As such, it moves beyond the scope of one's own interests and takes into account the interests of others.
So, you immoral fuck, if one skullfucks an infant, it produces a bad outcome for the infant, and therefore, within utilitarianism, is immoral.
Second, are you saying, that if you stopped believing in gods, would start skullfucking infants? If so, please, continue believing in your immoral religion. As bad as it is, it is better than having you torturing children.
Quote:I agree we all have this inherent moral compass that prevents us from allowing such stuff. But this inherent morality in itself warrants an explanation.
Sure it warrants an explanation. Interesting thing is, there are natural explanations that explain morality, No gods requiresd.
For example. Bonobo chimps, our closest genetic cousins, have moral behaviors.
Examples:
They will share food, even if it is in short supply.
Members will protect weaker members of their group, even if it puts them at risk.
They will adopt orphaned babies.
They will punish violent members.
They mourn the death of kin. The entire troop will mourn the death of a beloved elder.
And so much more.
Which god gave Bonobos their moral compass?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.