RE: A.S.K. your way to proof.
March 16, 2020 at 4:30 pm
(This post was last modified: March 16, 2020 at 5:05 pm by Simon Moon.)
(March 16, 2020 at 2:22 pm)Drich Wrote:(March 16, 2020 at 12:33 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: First of all, I was a sincere believer for decades, until I discovered what good standards of evidence and skepticism are.whatever dude..
translation: you were taught how to question in a way the bible was not designed to give straight answers. Thought God would personally fill in the blanks. he didn't your house of faith fell when the wind and rain hit it.
Still no.
It took me years to give up my beliefs. I attempted every way I could to rehabilitate them. I have a shelf full of books by the 'best' apologists, I read and reread the Bible more times than I can remember, and yes, sincerely hit my knees.
So, if what you say above is true (Bible not designed for easy answers, god would fill in the blanks), then how is it my fault if I am unable to find belief warranted?
Quote:I do not exclude a god or gods. I am completely open to being convinced that a god exists. I mean that sincerely.
Quote:then watch the video and meet him on his terms. He is not coming to you... or even if he has, your understanding/prejudice of God (how God is to approach you) will not allow you to identify him as such. Could you identify God if he were a member here? If he started speaking to you as a common person could you pick him out?
All this sounds like you are advocating for confirmation bias.
I will watch the video, but I can almost guarantee I did what you say when I was still a believer.
Quote:I'll bet I am more open to being convinced that a god or gods exists, than you are of being convinced that a god other than Yahweh/Jesus exists.
Quote:brother if you could only stand in my shoes, and honestly experienced all I have you would know why I know what I know.
I've read your stories (at least the ones you've posted here over the years) of your experiences, not impressed.
You have never been able to demonstrate that your experiences could not be explained by: misinterpretation of an unusual but otherwise natural brain state, misinterpretation of a mundane experience, temporary delusion, misinterpretation of another god communicating with you, or even aliens messing with your mind. I'm not saying that any of these are the case, only that you have never been able to provide a rational, evidence based reason why any of them should be eliminated as possibilities.
And then I hear stories from believers in other gods, and they tell them with just as much conviction and sincerity as you do.
Quote:It is not my fault that you, or any other theist, has ever been able to support your god claims with: demonstrable and falsifiable evidence, reasoned argument, and valid and sound logic.
Quote:don't need to... falsifiability demonstrable claims are reserved for science projects. God is not a science project. the study of God has it's own set of balances and standard that have to be met. As no one can summon God or make him appear on demand. However God himself has promised to respond to those who meet him on his terms. This can be actively proven in the fact that only 4% of the world's population think as you do. At some level across the world and generations people have reached out and someone or something has reached back on some level.
So much flawed thinking here, don't know where to start...
If the god you believe exists and interacts with the physical universe, then the effects of said god are testable. I'm not saying that the god itself needs to appear, but the various effects of such a god are testable claims. Alleged miracles are testable claims, miracle healings, communicating with people, all testable claims.
After all, you are claiming to be a 'god detector'. That is a testable claim.
Yes, but only 31% of the rest of the world think as you do and that if we count Catholics, which I doubt you agree with them.
What has reached back, is very likely our own minds. Human brains are hyperactive agency detectors. It is not unusual that we will detect agency (like a god communicating with us), even when none is there.
Also, there is an argument ad populum fallacy in there.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.