RE: A.S.K. your way to proof.
March 23, 2020 at 1:26 pm
(This post was last modified: March 23, 2020 at 1:26 pm by Drich.)
(March 20, 2020 at 7:37 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: But I have done the A/S/K process (although I didn't know it as that name) for decades when I was a believer. I did not get any results that I could identify as a god.when people properly a.s.k. God put on their heart the one thing or two things or ten things keeping him from you, or dealing with you directly. usally just one. if you can manage that one thing albeit a big one, the spirit will being to slowly grow
Remember the rich young ruler who came to jesus pledged himself to him and what did jesus say to him? he saw that the young man's heart was all tied up with his money. and said to him go and sell all you have give it to the poor and then come and follow me. the young man went of sad because he knew he could never do this. another want to follow jesus but first he wanted to bury his father. which meant his father may die soon, (could have been sick or just old) jesus said let the dead bury the dead, come follow me.. and on and on. we all have things and or excuses of stuff we put first. God is going to ask for this one thing in your heart you put first.
Why? because we have only been given 2 commands. Love God with all of our being, second our neighbors as ourselves. We can't do the first if our heart's have it's primary place filled with porn or sex, mind can not be given to God if it has already been given to work or study, or body's can not physically serve God if it selves it's self sitting on the couch when ever it is not at work. or if our spirit has been subdued by mindless tv and internet stuff. If you can just ask God to take those things so you can turn and embrace this turn (not complain about it the whole time and years for your 'stuff.' you will begin to to see what they call spiritual fruit, or signs of the Spirit. then gifts and if you remain faithful more and more indepth interchange between you and the Spirit.
Quote:And I continued while in the process of giving up my beliefs. I was trying to rehabilitate my beliefs with sincerity. A/S/K did't work then. And it seems like any god that wanted me, would have seen the struggle I was going through.again this may go back to the wise and foolish builders. If you have the wrong idea of God, God will step back and allow your idea to try and save you. so that you know what you understand is wrong. To reset yourself and seek him out for who he is on his terms. If you are close God will work with you. if you are making wishes and trying to trade them for good deeds or allegiance, then good luck.
Quote:But of course, you are so sure you can not be wrong, that you are unable to even consider the possibility that someone could do everything right (according to you), and your god still did not communicate with them.that's the thing I tried to communicate in another video. none of us has it 100% correct. there is a reason for the order one subject builds on another. (more or less)
If none of us are right then how is it some of us Get it and other do not? I found it is perception. people look for God to be a certain way. When God found me I was doing what it was he wanted me to do. I was just doing my job at work and the last person i thought the guy i was helping would be someone sent to help me. But if I was not humble enough to let a dirty man ride up front where it was warm, because that is what i would have wanted for myself, i would have missed out of a life changing event. I scares me on how many times God reached out and i was so busy looking for God in other places.
Remember the Jews/pharisees and sadducees. the holy leadership of all of jerusalem only saw God through the eyes of moses and david. they saw themselves as being on par or greater than those two men. So they only expected God to come to them as He came to moses and david. Then Jesus came to serve as a servant as a son of a servant. Someone below or beneath their high holinesses. yet he had all the credentials needed in the way of the miracles he did, and yet. they like you could not see God in him/who God was playing out to be. Call it stubbornness, science or just plain failed expectations, they were not set to worship or serve a god who did not treat them with their due.
They are a cartoon version of our hearts now. yes over exaggerated, but still the same problems remain. How many times (dont answer me out loud) have you felt something tell you, maybe you should not do this... and you do, or maybe you should not do that.. and again do.. maybe you should help this guy but... set in. or maybe you had an opportunity to help unseen but stopped because you wanted it to be know things happened a certain way because of you..
no one can say they always picked the right choice, and gave up their sins God put on their heart, and has the proper frame work of God via the bible in place in their minds.. or at least I don't not even after 25 years of this. I still struggle with all of this daily, so no... no one can tell me they have all of this right. as if we Could Christ would not have to have died to pay for our sins.
rather there are three major choke points in the process. sin, perception/know who we are in relation to God (cant see God as a gandalf) pride of the pharisees. Can demand God approach us via... or expect him to do so in a burning bush way./get over yourself you are no moses.
rather God will be noticed in the simple thing first and if you honor those thing they will compound. no one aside from bible characters gets to be in total darkness then bam god. This is not God holding back this is you slowly leaning to clear your glasses and figuring out qtips for the first time. you will note God is was always there in a very strong way and you almost have to be programed to ignore or dismiss him.
Quote:Yahweh/Jesus exists, so we can appeal to him (on his terms) in order to have him demonstrate himself to us.
Quote:to send the Holy Spirit.
Quote:And again, how am I able to discern the difference between a delusion and the 'Holy Spirit'?or a demon.. content.
You will know what is real. I handed dude money i touched this guy, but it means nothing if the message is wrong.
Quote:After all, there are surely some percentage of people, who truly believe they received the 'Holy Spirit', but are mistaking or delusional.or received something else. again content or the bible calls it Spiritual fruit. The idea being if the Spirit is with you you will show evidences or signs of the Spirit, just like you can not get a grape from a thorn bush or a fig from a catus, people who have the Holy spirit will produce these evidences.
Quote: And then, there are all those other people of other god beliefs who claim, just as fervently as you, that their god communicated with them.that's what all you guys say. but if you ever studied other religions ALL of those people by their own doctrines are heritics unless they see themselves as prophets, and each religion has conditions/test for prophets.
ONLY Christianity puts believers in contact with God.
Quote:Sorry, but I have read way too many studies on who easy it is to fool the human mind.that works both way you know.
Wasn't 'science' used to fool the 1930's german people that jews were a subspecies and not fully developed?What about Al gore's carbon tax.. if you pay his organisation who has actual traction in nato a carbon tax al gore will ensure that the point of no return or tipping point on global warming will never be reached.
you are right the human mind is way too easy to fool. the only thing is that if you are fooled on either side of this debate how would you possibly know? I have content/scripture as a guide and no one nor no planned organization giving me direction. What do you have where are your checks and balances if there are man made who pays for them and what puts them beyond corruption?
Quote:Once again, I have not made up my mind (although I do think it very unlikely, in the extreme, that a god exists). I am willing to accept any existential claim that is supported by demonstrable evidence. It is not my fault, that your god, who should be able to tell how sincere I am about wanting to believe as many true things (including his existence), and disbelieve as many false things as possible, and should know how to convince me, and failed to do so while I was a believer, and as a nonbeliever.
keep looking for that burning bush moses I'm sure you will not find it.
(March 21, 2020 at 3:49 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Drippy has never explained why it is we should be doing A/S/K to his deity.
Humanity has cooked up thousands of gods.
If you're going to A/S/K Drippy's god, you're going to have do all of the known gods.
Drippy's god has no priority here, over all the others. We are non-believers.
We do not accept his assumptions. He has presented no reason to toss out all the other gods, and zero in on his.
He has no case to be made for his god alone. Classic case of Special Pleading his god.
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(March 19, 2020 at 2:44 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Unfortunately for you, you have once again demonstrated your YouTube education in religious studies and the Bible, and your total and utter ignorance of the same.
Yahweh (YWHW, known as the tetragramaton) https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&s...bkZdcW6W-8
is the Hebrew abbreviation for Yahweh ... God. In Christian theology, Yahweh is God the FATHER. Jesus is the "word" and God the Son.
Jehovah was God the FATHER. Jehovah is NEVER Jesus, in any religion.
"Jehovah (/dʒɪˈhoʊvə/) is a Latinization of the Hebrew יְהֹוָה, one vocalization of the Tetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible and one of the seven names of God in Judaism."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah
Jesus is NOT and never has been named "Jehovah".
First Grade Sunday School.
Yahweh is the FATHER of Jesus. Yahweh is not and never was Jesus. Yahweh is the god referred to many times when Jesus speaks of the Father.
"The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth" (John 1:14).
But thanks for your utterly ignorant reply. ... and this is the fool who says he's here to "clarify" after 16 years of study, .... and yet somehow doesn't know the most basic things that any freshman Bible student knows. He is totally and completely ignorant of the very field he pretends to speak about, (because he is self-taught, and suffering from Dunning-Krueger).
The interesting thing about the introduction to the Gospel of John, is that it incorporates almost word for word, the Gnostic concepts that Philo (a Jew) was writing about, earlier than John was written in the First Century. John stole the Gnostic concepts from Philo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philo, and a generational (later) development from the synoptics. The Gnostic influence of the new sect, that eventually was called "Christianity", is very plain to see. The entire "word" introduction is pure Gnosticism : "light from light" etc. It's also a "theological" development. In Mark, Jesus is raised up (to divine status), in Luke and Matthew, (and Paul) Jesus gives up his divine status to become incarnate, then takes it back after going back to heaven. In John, (true to the Gnostic idea) he was divine, remained divine but had a dual nature while on Earth, then went back to having only divine status.
Not only was Yahweh NOT El Elyon, he was (in the ancient Near East) one of the sons of El Elyon. He had a consort/wife, and the Hebrews believed in many gods.
Even the Bible says there was a higher god than Yahweh, and the Bible says there are other gods.
"There is none like God, O Jeshurun (i.e., Israel)
who rides through the heavens to your help ...
he subdues the ancient gods, shatters the forces of old ...
so Israel lives in safety, untroubled is Jacob's abode ...
Your enemies shall come fawning to you,
and you shall tread on their backs.
— Deuteronomy 33:26–29
The verse "Who is like unto thee, O Lord, among the gods?" (Exodus 15:11) is even more explicit about other gods existing alongside Yahweh.
https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/.pre...-1.6315810
https://www.ancient.eu/Yahweh/
In Deuteronomy 32:8-9, it says the "most high" (not Yahweh) portioned out the peoples of the Earth to the gods, and to Yahweh, ... his portion was israel.
Yahweh was a well known god in Canaanite religions.
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