Is there free will in heaven?

[reverendjeremiah]

Christians use freewill to receive the gift of salvation, which comes with the bonus of Heaven. The idea that freewill will stop existing with the destruction of evil is like saying, "without starvation, people will not really have the ability to understand food."

In this example, starvation is sin, it's something we don't really want and can't wait for it to end. Food is heaven and understanding is freewill. When starvation ends, people will still understand food, what it tastes like, what it looks like, how to make it.

And sex is honey, and beer is beer, and why are we comparing things to food?

Freewill isn't defined by rebellion, it's defined by choices, in Heaven there will be no lack of choices. The people that are going to Heaven have already made the decision to have faith in Christ and trust in his ways, so to ask if you can stop trusting later and still consider yourself a believer is a lack of understanding of the place of Heaven in general. Our freewill will be extended to the new world that God creates for us and yet we will be like the angels given assignments, tasks and roles.

So choosing something that god doesnt want is not considered an option when it comes to freewill. You are saying we have many options in front of us for us to use our freewill with, but none of them go against what god wants?
How does that change the problem? It is STILL a vulcan mind meld that stops you from having choices god doesnt want you to make. that is NOT freewill no matter how much whipped cream you spray on that turd. A turd is still a turd.
If I had mind powers, and delved into your mind and erased all of the choices that I dont like, and replaced them with choices I do like...then do you still have Freewill after that? If I erase your ability to decide wether you want to be a Christian or not. Or if I erase the ability for you to decide not to do what I tell you to do...would you still consider yourself having freewill?

ABSOLUTELY NOT... That isnt freewill. That is someone who has tampered with your mind and caused you to think the way HE wants you to thing. even going so far to make it "seem" as if you have a choice. But in reality, you have no choice, as you are unable to choose what that person doesnt want you to choose.

Your idea of "freewill" sounds exactly the opposite of freewill. You have doubletalked again. You have labeled tyranny of the mind as "freewill", and the more you do it, the more I lose respect for you.
Im sorry, but your idea of an afterlife sounds freakish and cult like. I want nothing to do with it.

The statements in which you said I'm "opposed" to freewill, you're not really getting my point. I'm trying to understand if actions (behaviors) that lead to a lower, less healthy standard of living in the eyes of those that love you, really defines someone, or if in fact actions (behaviors) that lead to a higher, more healthy standard of living in the eyes of someone that loves you, defines someone.

I think i was very clear in breaking down your last posts and showing that you oppose freewill. You think it is quite all right for someone to invade someones thoughts and cut out what they deem to be worthless. That is NOT freewill. and whats with this "less healthy standards". Your cult, and belief in Christianity, does not become the determining factor in what is healthy and what is not. science is very clear in what is healthy and what is not. an active sexlife is VERY healthy to humans, and science has much evidence to back up its finding. I do not consider believing in a god to be a higher standard of living. In fact I consider it to be ignoring reality, which can be unhealthy and even dangerous.

Most people are defined by the good they exhibit and lean on this good for reputation and to be liked. Those same people do not boast of the bad they do because it is painful for people they love or admire to not approve of them, but it is easy to admit these things to strangers that you believe you'll have little to no connection to, people you don't really care for and if you're not concerned about your reputation at all.

What? i really dont get your concept that only good acts define people, and bad acts dont. You also claim that your body, or your image, or ...you know, honestly, i see english words up there. I know they are english, and seperately they make sense. But when YOU put them together like you did up there, they make very little sense.

My point is, I don't think that a person's sexual life, their health, their power, their money, their looks, or their religion define them. I think it's contributions that pursue good, freindship, kindness, learning and equality that define people. I think people are truly loved for the best parts of themselves and enjoyed for the parts that weren't so great. Go to a funeral sometime and you'll see what I mean.

Really? A persons sex life doesnt define them? So being gay or straight doesnt define a person? If so, then why does the bible specifically call for the murder of gay people. Gayness, according to Salty, is not a defining characteristic...yet GOD surely is using it as a defining characteristic, and then calls for it to be stamped out through bloody murder. Your religion doesnt define you? If thats true, then why are you on an atheists forum? Why are all of your posts full of Christianity, and all of your hopes and dreams are filled with the religion of christianity?

wait...you say learning is what defines people, but Religion DOESNT define people.

Salt.. you have to learn a religion in order to know about it.
I used to work at a funeral home, so I guarentee I have been to more funerals than everyone you know combined. I was the one digging the graves.