(October 24, 2011 at 3:24 pm)lucent Wrote: It was marvelously designed, before sin corrupted everything....and we have any kind of evidence as to what this universe was like prior to this "sin" coming into the universe to corrupt it so you can confidently make such a statement?
Btw, "The Bible says so" =/= evidence.
And how does "sin" corrupt exactly? Is it some sort of unseen substance like Dark Matter? Is there any way we can study its effects? Perhaps it's like radiation that mutates DNA to cause birth defects? Have there been any peer reviewed studies on this matter?
Or maybe it's all just a load of crap sold by religion to create a problem that doesn't exist (your souls is full of sin/thetans/past life trauma/etc) so they can solve your problem for you if you just give them all your money and believe what they tell you to believe.
Quote:In any case, God works with it and hasn't abandoned them.How many conjoined twins were successfully separated by prayer or some other metaphysical approach?
Quote:It's strange to me that if He is a personal God, you hate Him, but if He is impersonal you think He has done a bang up job. Same Universe and everything, but two schizophrenic perspectives.
Let me try to explain it to you in a way that you can understand:
Power + Awareness = Responsibility
If God does not exist, God is not morally responsible for the ills of this universe. It isn't God's fault because God doesn't exist. This is why atheists aren't angry with God.
If God does exist but is not powerful enough to create a better universe or eliminate evil wherever it exists, God is not morally responsible for the ills of this universe. It isn't God's fault because God doesn't have the means to do a better job.
If God does exist but is not aware of our plight, God is not morally responsible for the evils we suffer. It isn't God's fault because God didn't know.
If God does exist but is neither omnipotent nor aware of our plight, both of the last two statements apply.
If, as you suggest, God is perfect, omnipotent and omniscient, then God has a lot of explaining to do.
Clear?
Quote:I am not saying it is a perfect analogy, but it is a useful one. There are plenty of examples of people born with two heads but sharing one complete body. For all intents and purposes, they are two in one.Nope. Two conscious beings = two conscious beings, regardless of the shared body.
See my mad scientist example in my last post. If a mad scientist stitched my head to another person's body, with their head still attached, we'd be still be two beings.
Quote:I said He set aside some of His power and rank, not His identity.But the passages suggest that he didn't know things that Yahweh knew and he had a separate will and design from Yahweh. There were two identities, not one.
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
