RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve?
April 20, 2020 at 9:05 am
(This post was last modified: April 20, 2020 at 9:11 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 20, 2020 at 9:00 am)Klorophyll Wrote: I am not providing formal syllogisms here for my faith, either. I am inviting you to read more about subjects you don't know well, and as a result, you can't see their worth.It's not as if cogency is only an issue for formal syllogisms - and if you don't intend to argue for your faith...you sure spend alot of time accidentally trying and failing to do so.
If I am your only source about Islam, then this is a problem already. I might still convey things wrongly despite my best efforts, especially related to why we trust our oriental heritage. Besides, this subject is not about arguments for the Islamic faith.
Quote:No, you didn't find any. We have sayings today of Muhammad about minutious details of his life, thus we invoke *the rule of attention*. We don't have them in the case of Jesus, no rule invoked. You claimed followers copy batshit things differently, I answered followers take their idol seriously, plus they master their language well enough not to miss short idioms.. so don't strawman, please.The christians had that too. Rejected as apocrypha. Found another!
Quote:Translations of the Qur'an might look boring - translations. You either should just learn Arabic to check whether the original is boring, or hear experts judgement about it. Creative and masterful? A book of guidance is about... guidance, not about satisfying one's imagination.No, no, you misunderstand. I think that the narrative in magic book is boring like so much of derivative literature is boring. It's not an issue of translation, lol.
It's a hard one to rule out an historical Jesus... and no book is fabricated, they're just books of disciples of Jesus, by the christians own admission. They go to extreme measure merely to justify their link to Jesus. Nobody today, even christians, thinks that any random quote from the bible is from Jesus' mouth.
Anyway, who's talking about jesus? Not us. We're talking about christ, the god-man. Hard to rule him out...as a muslim? Do you find yourself convinced by any of these last few items we've found when you consider christian magic book, and christ?
Hell, it's not even an issue of truth. Lets assume that your magic book is true. These still wouldn't be compelling indicators of that. If you can understand why a christian would need a better argument, or a better set of indicators..if you prefer...then you should understand why you do when speaking to us.
I know..I know....you're just inviting me to read more about subjects I don't know well.
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