Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve?

[The Grand Nudger]

That's quite a lot, I'm afraid. I'm still waiting for you to present your reasons to believe these countries exist.

It is quite alot, yes.  I notice this as well....and fear is definitely at play.  Like I said, we have alot in common.

You didn't actually explain why it doesn't cut it for you. If you're worried that bob or jim may be unreliable, then we usually have more people telling the exact same thing bob told jim. If you think -as you mentioned before- that crowds of people can still get it wrong, I already said it's highly unlikely given the stakes - someone they're convinced is a prophet talking to them + their language proficiency -, and after that you just started making comparisons to christians.

No comments on which of us believes in "pure sources", then? We found another, the rule of stakes.  Do you apply this to the christian god-man and the reliability of their magic book?  No, ofc not.  Another point of agreement.

I didn't claim they are demonstrations of truth at all. Their truth is, above all, contingent on the existence of a personal god.

You very explicitly and repeatedly did.  This is a pointless lie.  You were wrong, that's all.  What is it that you want people to understand about islam by reference to your comments?

The problem is, again, it's not clear at all what standards you would accept. We're talking about preserving history here, not proving some theorem, this has nothing to do with reasoning and sloppy thinking, only what confidence one has in some body of texts. Put yourself in their shoes, how would you reliably report someone's sayings to future generations..?

The same standards that would convince you of the christian god-man, as I said.

You don't need to know anything about me, you only need know yourself. Do you know yourself..? If you choose some standard, and it doesn't convince you of christ...does it really convince you of the moongod's magic book? I'd say no. I'd say that this is an artifact of your lack of practice or self reflection - particularly in the context of discussing what you have never questioned with a person like myself.

Would you disagree? Would you insist, instead, that your own inability is a good proof of the inaccuracy of your beliefs, for example? Tell me that this is wrong. Tell me that you and I don't really have a fundamental difference in what we believe and why we might believe it. Not a difference in our ability to communicate or construct an argument, a difference in principle. Tell me that you really do believe that japan exists because steve told bob, who told you, that it it did.

Yes! A thousand times yes. Put yourself in the shoes of anyone who ever told any eschatological myth or foundational legend. This is a fantastic idea. What are some of the things you notice about -others- contents that might be exactly what I notice about your own?

-We don't have to argue all the time, how often do I implore you to proceed as though every jot and tittle is true? The real miracle of magic book, if magic book was miraculous in any way...would be that even though all the same forces are at play, and the product looks exactly as we'd suspect if those forces were in effect..it isn't. It's the straight dope from the author of the universe. You see these issues as plainly as I do, when the context is some other magic book.

That, Kloro....that...would be miraculous - inarguably fucking magic-book. I'd never shut up about it if I believed that it were true, and I'd never shy away from those issues in service to that end. They could do nothing other than establish the conjecture that book is magic.