(October 24, 2011 at 5:07 pm)lucent Wrote: The bible is a historical record and counts as evidence.
Quote:I trust it is accurate for three reasons. One I know God exists. We agree on this one.No, we don't. You believe in Yahweh.
Quote:Two I know that God is the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit.You "know" this how?
Quote:Three I know God doesn't lie.
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Quote:It's not impossible, and even if it never happened once, it proves absolutely nothing.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
Quote:False. If you have the power to create a Universe, and you know you are going to create all sorts of lifeforms that are going to suffer and die in the process, you are morally culpable for all of it. Only a being who is completely morally bankrupt would go ahead and create the Universe anyway.I don't agree. I'm glad to be here. You are welcome to end your existence any time you like if you don't appreciate it. (seriously, don't, suicide is never the answer).
Quote:He already explained it, and also did something about it.Ah, yes, he sacrificed himself to himself because bleeding on a cross made everything better, didn't it?
He also stood by and watched as his followers, Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox, inflicted countless acts of murder, torture and suffering in his name and to promote his glory. He did absolutely nothing to stop them or correct their understanding of his teachings. Any general would be up on war crimes if his followers behaved this way and he did nothing to stop it.
If Jesus exists, he is the least fit being in the universe to stand in judgment over anyone. He should beg our forgiveness, not the other way around.
Quote:If you share a body, you are in a very real sense "one" with that person.Nope, for reasons already explained.
Quote:There is no separation between you besides in your mind,The mind IS what we are as conscious beings. So you just said there's no separation except that we're separate.
Quote:and I have read that people who are born with these disorders do experience a conjunction in certain aspects of consciousness.I have two twins that worked for me, separate but still twins, who testified that they could share experiences, like feeling what the other does. This doesn't mean it's true. Let's stick to what we know and not what we heard or read somewhere. This is how you got into trouble taking seriously a testimony from the 700 Club.
Quote:Yes, Jesus had His own will due to His human nature.So he was a separate being from Yahweh, then?
Quote:Jesus had two natures, one being God, which is one with the Father, and one being Human, which was separated from the Father.So he was both a separate being and not a separate being, then?
Quote:He still had one identity, that is, the Son of God.So he was a separate being from Yahweh, then?
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist