Scripture for Trinitarians

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No, we don't. You believe in Yahweh.

Really? We both agree there is a God.

You "know" this how?

It was proven to me before I read the bible.

Three I know God doesn't lie.

I received proof the bible was true before I read it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

That applies to your statement actually. I was simply commenting that your argument, even if it were true, proves nothing.

Ah, yes, he sacrificed himself to himself because bleeding on a cross made everything better, didn't it?

He didn't sacrifice Himself to Himself. The Father and the Son are separate people.

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He shed His blood for a purpose, which was to break the power of sin and death and make it possible for you and I to be reconciled with God and be forgiven for our sins. People are still benefitting from His work on the cross 2000 years later.

He also stood by and watched as his followers, Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox, inflicted countless acts of murder, torture and suffering in his name and to promote his glory. He did absolutely nothing to stop them or correct their understanding of his teachings. Any general would be up on war crimes if his followers behaved this way and he did nothing to stop it.

You have no idea of what He did or didn't do. I'm sure you've never thought of this before but perhaps He did quite a bit and it could have been a lot worse than it was. In any case, no matter how many times you trot out the age old "evil disproves a loving God" argument, I can easily counter it with this:

If Jesus exists, he is the least fit being in the universe to stand in judgment over anyone. He should beg our forgiveness, not the other way around.

You excuse your God for all the evils in the world, and don't even care if He is a monster, yet you want to judge Jesus for doing something about it. Amazing. He has nothing to be forgiven for and everything to be praised for.

I don't agree. I'm glad to be here. You are welcome to end your existence any time you like if you don't appreciate it. (seriously, don't, suicide is never the answer).

So your counter argument is, it doesn't matter if your God is a moral monster because you got your life out of it, and if you don't like it kill yourself (but don't). Those are some real fine debating chops you have here. It's funny you're always pointing out flaws in other peoples arguments but when it comes to the meat of what you believe it sure is slim pickins. Do actually have an honest position here, or do you just have absolutely no defense?

Again, it's funny how you love your life, only if your God doesn't care about you and you die forever. You're happy with that, but if that God is an authority in your life, and holds you to a higher standard, that God is the most despicable being you could imagine. Quite an interesting parallel.

The mind IS what we are as conscious beings. So you just said there's no separation except that we're separate.

That's your opinion. Can you have a mind without a body? What we are, at least at this instant, is at least the sum of all our parts. What I said was, being joined in the flesh with someone is in a real way like being at one with them, regardless of whether you are perceptively sharing your consciousness.

I have two twins that worked for me, separate but still twins, who testified that they could share experiences, like feeling what the other does. This doesn't mean it's true. Let's stick to what we know and not what we heard or read somewhere. This is how you got into trouble taking seriously a testimony from the 700 Club.

I think it's funny that you don't believe personal testimony about nearly anything, but I am sure you think its fine for our legal system, or nearly everything we know about history, or all the facts that you believe about the world that you've never invesigated on your own. I tend to think that people who are actually in the situation would be a little more qualified to speak about it than myself And I got into trouble, how? When you ran away, you lost that debate.

So he was a separate being from Yahweh, then?

So he was both a separate being and not a separate being, then?

So he was a separate being from Yahweh, then?

Yes they are separate, but also the same essence.