RE: A.S.K. your way to proof.
April 29, 2020 at 1:31 pm
(This post was last modified: April 29, 2020 at 1:38 pm by Drich.)
(April 29, 2020 at 10:47 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:So there is that says you are pulling info on voltare out of you bum...(April 28, 2020 at 3:50 pm)Drich Wrote: because he was king atheist and started the movement and grandfather the same BS arguments you guys still use. IE if he was wrong about his prediction based on information and an understanding of God you guys still follow then he was wrong about his base beliefs IE you in turn are wrong where your beliefs cross.. Do you people not even understand your origins and shared beliefs?
his house being used is just insult to his proud proclamation.
There's a big difference between 'noted' and 'king'. Atheism isn't a movement (notwithstanding Conservapedia), although atheists can be part of a movement. There are a lot of atheists in the Skeptical Movement if that's what you're thinking of.
Voltaire not an atheist, noted or otherwise, he was a deist, I think of more note would be Lucilio Vanini, freethinking pantheist executed in 1619 for his supposed atheism by having his tongue cut out and strangling, followed by burning his body. Atheists are more likely to quote Epicurus (341-270 BC), paraphrasing his famous trilemma, than Voltaire.
And you didn't address where you pulled your estimate of 3.5% of the world's population being atheist in the 1700s. I don't know how anyone would have arrived at that number, and it sounds way too high. Are you sure it wasn't just France?
His house being used to store Bibles is typical low-class petty vengeance on the part of the Christians involved. Today it is a museum.
Voltaire expressed his contempt towards organized religion and its disregard for human suffering in his famous satirical novel, Candide. He targeted Leibnitz’s teaching that “all is for the best” by creating characters that fall into miserable situations and face both internal and external strife by attempting to fit it into the church’s world view.[1] The only place free from Voltaire’s critiques was a made up New World town known as El Dorado where the only religion is an appreciation for life and nature.[2] El Dorado represented Voltaire’s perfect society and provided insight into how he would have preferred society in Europe to be structured. Even though efforts to reform the Church were brought forward through Calvinism and the Council of Trent, Voltaire shows disdain for the major principles of organized religion in the 18th century. Although, like the Council of Trent, John Calvin’s beliefs carried the principle that all is for the best, which did align with Voltaire’s criticisms by pointing out that the Church should serve society rather than hold themselves in a dignified higher place and criticized the strict adherence to sacraments and Christian ritual.
https://www.armstrong.edu/history-journa...in-candide
and this quote:
The influential figure of Voltaire, spread deistic notions of to a wide audience. "After the French Revolution and its outbursts of atheism, Voltaire was widely condemned as one of the causes", wrote Blainey, "Nonetheless, his writings did concede that fear of God was an essential policeman in a disorderly world: 'If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him', wrote Voltaire".[64] Voltaire wrote this in response to Treatise of the Three Impostors, a document (most likely) authored by John Toland that denied all three Abrahamic religions.[65]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_atheism
my number of 3.5 % is based off the number of people who lived 100 years approx after voltare's death he died 1778 so in 1878 there were approx 1.6 billion people on the planet 3.2 million were non religious 3.1 agnostic 225,000 are God haters. that's 7.5 million out of 1.6 billion is about 3.5% if you also take out the unevanglized/people who never heard of God which was estimated to be 53% or 880,000,000 back then. which leaves us with 720,000,000 and you guys with 7.5 million. which is honestly 1.5% (i honestly did the math guesstimate based on christian to atheist not world population forgive me for rushing you answer out.)
https://www.gordonconwell.edu/center-for...y-2020.pdf
(April 29, 2020 at 11:19 am)SUNGULA Wrote: 1.Voltaire wasn't an Atheist, And people like Bertrand russell or Hume have far more influence on modern skepticism
2.There is no atheist movement .I sure as hell don't have the same end goals as someone like Sargon of Akkad.
3.Voltaire's house is currently a museum , And i wonder if i should take equal glee in churches being converted into condos and bars .Oh wait no i'm not a petty jerk.
again voltare was an atheist his own quotes and stance against the church proove that see some of the other quotes i posted.
2 there is an atheist movement educate your self fool before you speak. there is even a national convention every year:
https://www.conservapedia.com/Atheist_movement
3 it is a museum but it is also the head quarters of the Geneva bible society world head quarters.
https://www.scribd.com/document/33127426...le-society
