Scripture for Trinitarians

[DeistPaladin]

It's personal testimony which is apparently of no interest to you.

Ah, something that involves dreams, feelings or something along those lines that would be wholly unconvincing to any skeptic.

My original statement is that conjoined twins haven't been abandoned by God, despite their condition. Your original reply was, how many conjoined twins have been separated by prayer, as if this is the only measure of help they could receive. I rejected that premise, and I continue to reject it. I didn't say how do you know it isn't happening, I said even if it isn't happening, it doesn't prove anything.

Ah, the old God-moves-in-mysterious-ways-and-has-a-plan-for-these-twins-that-we-just-can't-fathom argument. Got it. Moving on.

No, they're never not separate people, but they are One God.

So they're always separate but they are one.

Every explanation you offer just makes it clearer and clearer. [/sarcasm]

He died on the cross to break the power of death.

Evidently it didn't work. Everything continues to die.

...bringing humanity back into the possibility of the relationship we had with God before the fall.

Translation: He bled on a cross because that was the only way he could convince himself to forgive us for being sinful beings which we are because an ancestor of ours who was made from a rib ate a magic fruit after speaking with a talking snake.

History tells us what we did, not what He didn't do. You have no idea what God did or didn't do. Again, human beings have free will to do evil, and Christian are human beings.

Hague Prosecutor: "General Scumbag, your men committed acts of murder, rape and torture in your name."

General Scumbag: "Meh, you can't prove that I ordered them to do it and I wasn't there."

Hague Prosecutor: "We have documented evidence that you received regular reports on their behavior and you did nothing to discourage them."

General Scumbag: "Look, they have free will. Why am I responsible for their actions."

Hague Prosecutor: "They answer to you. You had the power to stop them and did nothing. We even have reports of one of their rape-fests which happened outside your compound, in full view of your office window."

General Scumbag: "What did I tell you about free will. I can't take that away by ordering them to stop."

So how do you think that would play out in International Court?

Western civilization owes quite a bit to Christianity. The myriad ways that Christ has impacted western culture for the better are endless, from government, law, science, education, ethics, to health care and treatment of women, the countless humanitarian movements including freeing the slaves, the building of schools, hospitals, orphanages, drinking wells, charities, etc, etc, etc.

Educate yourself:

Yes, I've read McDowell and the likes. It's utter crap. Real history shows that Christianity was dragged kicking-and-screaming the whole way and after the dust settled has the nerve to try to take credit.

I would also say that any evil that has been perpetrated by Christians in the last 2000 years has been completely outdone by the evils perpetrated by atheistic regimes in the 20th century. You see the fact is, evil people do evil things, and they will find an excuse to do evil no matter what they claim to believe.

"Without religion, good people would still do good things and evil people would do evil things. But to get good people to do evil, that takes religion. Religion demonizes. Religion sanitizes inhumanity." -don't remember source but it's so true.

Yes, brutal dictators who might have been atheists have done terrible things but were they really inspired by atheism? As opposed to religious tyrants inspired to torture and murder to save souls from eternal torments in Hell? Cause and effect is much easier to map with religion.

I'm sorry to hear about all that. Do you think it served no purpose?

Yes I do. A personal god would create a world where heart attacks and strokes bring a quick death instead of cancer or Alzheimer's.

I think it's quite obvious that you have a gigantic chip on your shoulder, since you've called Jesus evil and Christianity the worse thing to ever happen.

Yes, I do feel rage under the surface. It's hard to take in the horrors of Christian history, the lies that are told, the human potential that is wasted, the stagnation of society for the thousand plus years prior to the Enlightenment, the bigotry promoted by it and its scripture, the minds that it terrorizes and the political problems it creates without feeling that righteous rage. I try to keep it under control, remembering that those under Islamo-Christianity's spell are victims, not enemies. No apologies for that rage. You'd feel it too if only you knew.

No, it's called your faith in your metaphysical theory about the mind.

Seriously, it's called a definition. In fact, it's more like a tautology. A conscious mind is a conscious mind. Your attempt to change the subject by speaking of a shared body is not a distraction for me.

Sure, yet you dismiss the testimony of billions of people which I think is sufficient weight for the consideration of whether a claim is credible, incredible or not.

Appeal to popularity

Perhaps you can point out where in the video you feel the man is lying or being disingenuous?:

From beginning to end.