RE: A 'proof' of God's existence - free will
May 6, 2020 at 6:47 am
(This post was last modified: May 6, 2020 at 7:14 am by The Grand Nudger.)
OFC not, and they didn't. Saint Tommy believed in the silly godman just like the rest.
Believing in the god of magic book or in the gods of pre-christian philosophers-as though they were the god of magic book doesn't actually necessitate a position on free will in any case. Different sects argue over whether we have it and how effective it is if we do. As mentioned, even for a christian...serious or silly.... step one to this argument is to show that free will is possible. No characteristic of any god is relevant to that asserted fact.
If the existence of free will is asserted to mean something with regards to the existence of a god - then we'd better produce some free will facts - not god facts. If, instead..there will never be any elaboration or demonstration of free will, then we have an appeal to negative consequences - not an argument. Proof only that the arguer is ignorant and uncomfortable, buttressing their belief in the divine by the conceptual avoidance of a negatively valued state of affairs regardless of whether that state of affairs is the true state of affairs in mere reality. It's not an enviable position, because even after they summit the peak of this monumentally high bar, literally all of their work will still be ahead of them in establishing that god explains this hypothetically existent free will, rather than the creature who allegedly possesses it.
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Believing in the god of magic book or in the gods of pre-christian philosophers-as though they were the god of magic book doesn't actually necessitate a position on free will in any case. Different sects argue over whether we have it and how effective it is if we do. As mentioned, even for a christian...serious or silly.... step one to this argument is to show that free will is possible. No characteristic of any god is relevant to that asserted fact.
If the existence of free will is asserted to mean something with regards to the existence of a god - then we'd better produce some free will facts - not god facts. If, instead..there will never be any elaboration or demonstration of free will, then we have an appeal to negative consequences - not an argument. Proof only that the arguer is ignorant and uncomfortable, buttressing their belief in the divine by the conceptual avoidance of a negatively valued state of affairs regardless of whether that state of affairs is the true state of affairs in mere reality. It's not an enviable position, because even after they summit the peak of this monumentally high bar, literally all of their work will still be ahead of them in establishing that god explains this hypothetically existent free will, rather than the creature who allegedly possesses it.
Human beings are a powerful and undeniably existent explanation for human abilities..whatever they may be.
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