(May 14, 2020 at 12:06 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You're only offering that fealty grants immunity to the consequences of an action. Does god not contend that those actions are wrong, and that this wrongness provides desert for the consequences you wish to evade? That this is why you need a mulligan to begin with?I wish you would watch the video. everything is explain completely. this is why i like the video better. when ever i lay out several point ultimately what happens is you look for words you recognize and you assign your typical meaning to them. then you build arguments around those meaning and when i try and explain my pov is not typical frustration sets in. in a 10 min video i can reassign value to words and phrases quickly and set up new paradyms in seconds. we are 10 pages in and you still havent even caught up to the op.
How about you? I'm asking you a fairly simple question and you're going to extreme lengths to talk about anything other than that. What are you atoned for, outside of a moral argument, what is atonement supposed to mean?
Here - let's make this as simple as possible. Are you atoned for the good things you do, or the bad?
Shouldn't take ten pages, just one word.
so i will answer your questions anyway.
we atone for neither good or bad, as sin good or bad elements only repersent 1/3 of what sin is.
Sin is not treated as a moral issue in the NT by Christ.
Sin for God is a virus.
Atonement is the inoculation. those who chose atonement have their souls literally saved, and when they come back will be themselves.
Which is why a ex murder like ted bundy will see heaven before a good or near perfect atheist.
Again if a ex-murder is free/inoculated from the zombie virus of sin, then he is safe to live and work with the living. (god and the 'saved.')
if that 'good/perfect atheist' was never inoculated and he died with sin, upon the resurrection we all go through he will come back not as himself but a slave to sin. a slave that evil has been feeding off of. as we are all born to this parasite or virus of evil and to pass on into eternity we must be inoculated or the contagion must be cleansed by fire.
Deeds/morality is no on the table anymore. it's about whether or not you carry the stain of sin on you. are you infected? if you are infected with the zombie virus of sin it does not matter what kind of person you are.