Islam

[The Architect Of Fate]

Yeah, that’s probably not the best way to dispel the notion that Islam is a savage, ignorant religion. 

Let’s talk about thievery. Suppose you have a desperately ill child and the only hope for it is to steal the medicine. You do so, are found out, and your hand is cut off. Does stealing to save the life merit that punishment?

Boru

To approve a punishment, the condemned needs to satisfy the age and the mental capability to realize their crime.
A child is not mentally capable of realizing the consequence of their actions.


Second, committing thievery or other crimes because one is "forced to do it" removes the punishment, and the examples are many from the Quran:

Sura 5, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 3 )   Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah, and [those animals] killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you [are able to] slaughter [before its death], and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and [prohibited is] that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience. This day those who disbelieve have despaired of [defeating] your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclination to sin - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclination to sin - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

I hope that answers your question.

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Agreed, I’m just pointing out that not all crimes are created equal, and that a blanket punishment for a given crime can never be just.

As another example, suppose I steal your car for no other reason than it’s a really cool car and I really want it. On the other hand, suppose I steal a packet of pencils from a local shop just because I want some pencils.

Both of these are theft, but to claim (as Winterhold seems to be doing) that they merit exactly the same punishment is purely stupid.

Makes me glad I’m not a Muslim.

Boru

If you are "forced to do it" then the long verse from Sura 5 Verse 3 does excuse you from the punishment.

But if you are not forced, then the punishment does engulf you; even if for the pencils -unless the pencil's owner forgives you-:

Sura 42, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 40 )   And the retribution for an evil act is an evil one like it, but whoever pardons and makes reconciliation - his reward is [due] from Allah. Indeed, He does not like wrongdoers.

Forgiveness is encouraged; even.

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What if humans "rule" by accepting we are all humans and labels don't rule?

Impossible. You will always have a "Hitler" or a United States army firing "democracy" from tanks.

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Based strictly on what you've said there should be a lot of small children with missing hands.

Keep this up and there might be a lobotomy in your future.

This comment; brewer. I'm not crazy:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-61009-p...pid1976065

Mutilating someone as a punishment is never justified . And your opinions on rule are complete nonesense

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Impossible. You will always have a "Hitler" or a United States army firing "democracy" from tanks.

No you won't and we need to be "ruled " we got rid of that bullshit a century ago .