(October 26, 2011 at 9:02 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: No argument mode here, I am in a pretty chipper mood this evening. I already conceded to you that you could call birds singing music; I just don’t think it’s the same sort of thing as human music. I also think the only reason we consider it music is because humans have a musical ear. It’d be a stretch to say it is music to the bird itself.
I never said birds could appreciate music nor that it was the same as human music, only that music was in the gene pool long before man came about.
As to an 'ear for music', I contend that many artists can disprove that.
(October 26, 2011 at 9:02 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: I found something you said interesting….you said as far as our genes could take us? How is there anything past our genes? How can we do or think anything that is not determined in our genetic make-up? That seems like you are wandering astray from the naturalistic path on that one.
This is where I am still on the bench. We are either 100% biochemical robots without free will or control or we are not. If we have an ability that is not controlled by our biochemical makeup, then it must be external to the body. If it is external to the body, then there is the problem of the integration of this will/mind to the physical body. On the other hand, the body does not exist except in our minds (quasi 'dream state') which solves the issue of attachment. This, of course, presents a whole new set of problems. And the god thing cannot work in these scenarios either. (No preaching.)
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
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-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
