Is there free will in heaven?

[lucent]

A murderer is free to murder. That is why it happens all the time. The question you are trying to ask is whether he should be punished for it, which is not relevant to this conversation. This conversation is dealing with whether he should have the choice to do it to begin with. The answer to that question is yes and not only because it is impossible to stop all crime.

You lost the thread of the conversation. You asked me to prove that someone deserved to be punished with hell. I posted the law. You said that breaking the law shouldn't always lead to punishment, because some laws are foolish. Your criterion for which laws you could break were the laws you disagree with.

"No, I do not feel I should obey laws that I disagree with."

I gave the example that by that logic, a murderer would be morally justified because he thought the law against killing was wrong. IE, your standard for moral behavior is absurd.

A murderer should be punished for murdering, regardless of whether he agrees with it or not. Likewise, you should be punished for breakings Gods laws whether you agree with them or not.

Obviously not, lucent. My life is evidence of that. I know what is best for me. I do not always get it, but I work hard at it. I am the one doing the work here. If god knew what was good for me, he would make sure I get it, which he doesn't. No, if he did exist, according to your book, he would not only make my life more difficult than necessary, but also take away everything I love in life once I hit heaven, assuming he didn't torture me for all of eternity.

Your life is evidence that you know what is best because you work hard for want you want and God doesn't give you what you want? The entire point is that God would know better than you would, by definition. You obviously don't have superior knowledge to an omnipotent being, do you?

Now God doesn't give you what you want, He gives you what you need. Do you give a little kid everything he wants? Obviously not, because he doesn't know anything and many of the things he wants are bad for him. What makes you any different than that little kid without Gods help?

You also assume that you're doing all the work. Since you believe everything is random, you see the story of your life as a series of fortunate (or unfortunate) accidents, and the good things you got were based on your work. Not so.

James 1:17

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change

What I found out when I converted from agnosticism was that this verse is true. God is taking care of you whether you love Him or not. Atheists don't understand that God personally intervenes in their lives all the time, but you are just interpreting his intervention as coincidence or happenstance. I've found out there is no such thing as either. So all that atheists are doing is biting the hand that feeds them.