Is there free will in heaven?

[salty]

*Pokes Shelly aka Ms Perfect in the eye*

You have to get past my glasses.

For the record - I'd like to state for the defense that that incident was blown way out of proportion, and perverted salty's meaning. That was my take. *retreats gracefully*

Salty's meaning was irrelevant in the context. She asserted that people are scared of her, even hinting that it had something to do with the color of her skin. She also, if memory serves me right, asserted that alei should bring a weapon, should she choose to visit salty. Salty later said that she didn't mean it the way it sounded, but saw that it could be taken that way. That is fine; the incident went no further. My point is that this situation is being blown out of proportion too. If one is capable of puffing themselves up to look like a scary tough guy, one should be able to handle a few jabs at their intellect. Now, I really do not want to go further with this. People here know where the lines should be drawn. If one is dishing it out and can't take it, they have no recourse. Tough titty, said the kitty. She is one in a great many who do not like being told they are wrong. She is taking it personally. Yes, in other threads, her words were taken personally. Given that they were hate speech hidden behind the veil of Christianity, one can hardly blame those that lashed out. Salty and everyone here have a choice, stick to the argument and not the person (or at least pepper your insults with actual on-topic arguments) or end the conversation altogether. Page after page of useless "everyone is a meany" and "you are too" isn't getting anyone anywhere.

I don't have to puff myself up to be a tough person, just standing up for my beliefs in the face of all this opposition shows my strengths. Moreover, asking people to be civil isn't a sign of weakness, it's simply a way to get the course of discussion back on track and less dependent on how people can insult one another.

You've made it exceedingly clear that being here is all about "sucking it up" so I better start working on it. Let me know if I bring up another victim situation so I don't step out of line Shell B. Thanks.