RE: Is there free will in heaven?
October 28, 2011 at 6:11 am
(This post was last modified: October 28, 2011 at 6:19 am by lucent.)
(October 28, 2011 at 5:57 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: So I suppose the people jumping out of the towers on 9/11 all died because god wanted that to happen. It wasn't some Muslim fuck nuts. It was all god. Damn is that SO fucking comforting!
Oh, and then there was the systematic extermination of my people. God allowed that.
Oh, and all the people who die miserable deaths in camps in Asia or in Africa
When I read on the news that a woman was savagely raped and eviscerated by a maniac, I can think "It's okay - god allowed that"
Shall I go on?
I'm not arguing the free will point, but I take objection to the idea of a caring God who "allows" shit to happen.
He also allows your ice cream to fall off its cone, and let you miss that bus. You can find 100 emotional reasons why this bothers you that God is ultimately in control, but this is an idea that is universally applied. He brings the rain that waters for the Harvest, He sends the bird song in through your window. God is orchaestrating everything on some fundemental level, because He is the agency behind all of the mechanisms.
(October 28, 2011 at 6:06 am)Zen Badger Wrote:(October 28, 2011 at 5:51 am)lucent Wrote:(October 28, 2011 at 5:11 am)Zen Badger Wrote:(October 27, 2011 at 12:52 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Lucent's so full of glory he can't even control it. It's gushing out of every orifice.
Funny how glory looks just like bullshit.
And a word of advice for Lucent, if you're going to make grandiose statements, don't run crying when they are turned against you.
There's a good lad.
Badger, I didn't run away, I've only just now come back to this thread. Don't get all puffed up because I'm not going anywhere.
I'm not sure what you're not understanding. Let's put it this way..God upholds the Universe. We wouldn't have our next breath without Him..likewise, a soul will not depart from the body unless God calls it forth. So, the time of death is up to Him. People don't die "accidently", they die because God allowed it to happen, and that because of free will. If a sin is behind it, it is not Gods will that it should happen, but because of free will, it is Gods will that it does happen. It's a subtle distinction which is perhaps going over your head.
So you're saying that abortions are gods work then?
I'm saying the Universe is Gods work, and the things that happen in it are permitted by Him to happen because He is ultimately in control. Abortions are not Gods work, neither are murders, or rapes, or lies, or theft..they are actions that His creatures carry out because they have free will to go against the wishes of God and carry out sin.
