RE: Is there free will in heaven?
October 28, 2011 at 6:27 am
(This post was last modified: October 28, 2011 at 6:39 am by lucent.)
(October 28, 2011 at 6:21 am)Zen Badger Wrote:(October 28, 2011 at 6:11 am)lucent Wrote: He also allows your ice cream to fall off its cone, and let you miss that bus. You can find 100 emotional reasons why this bothers you that God is ultimately in control, but this is an idea that is universally applied. He brings the rain that waters for the Harvest, He sends the bird song in through your window. God is orchaestrating everything on some fundemental level, because He is the agency behind all of the mechanisms.Yep, he's the one that created the parasitic worm that lives in your eyes. He's the one that causes young children in Africa to be raped and catch AIDS. He's the one that sent the earthquake to destroy Haiti and Japan.....
And all for the greater glory of gods ego
Oh... and don't forget abortions, they're also gods work apparently.
Abortions are not Gods work. If you don't want to engage and instead are only interested in making your little statements, that's up to you. Abortions are mans work, which God allows because of free will.
(October 28, 2011 at 6:21 am)Zen Badger Wrote:(October 28, 2011 at 6:11 am)lucent Wrote: He also allows your ice cream to fall off its cone, and let you miss that bus. You can find 100 emotional reasons why this bothers you that God is ultimately in control, but this is an idea that is universally applied. He brings the rain that waters for the Harvest, He sends the bird song in through your window. God is orchaestrating everything on some fundemental level, because He is the agency behind all of the mechanisms.Yep, he's the one that created the parasitic worm that lives in your eyes. He's the one that causes young children in Africa to be raped and catch AIDS. He's the one that sent the earthquake to destroy Haiti and Japan.....
And all for the greater glory of gods ego
Oh... and don't forget abortions, they're also gods work apparently.
(October 28, 2011 at 6:11 am)lucent Wrote: I'm saying the Universe is Gods work, and the things that happen in it are permitted by Him to happen because He is ultimately in control. Abortions are not Gods work, neither are murders, or rapes, or lies, or theft..they are actions that His creatures carry out because they have free will to go against the wishes of God and carry out sin.
But earlier you said that no one dies until god decides they should.
So he picks the moment of their death.
So which is it to be???
Let's put it this way. If someone goes to stab you, God could cause that knife to deflect off your chest. He could turn it into a banana. However, if He did that, free will would not exist. So nothing is happening outside His control, but He permits His creatures to act in ways that defy His authority.