RE: [Quranic Reflection]: What should Muslims do when the verses of God are made fun of?
September 4, 2020 at 12:22 pm
(September 4, 2020 at 9:03 am)WinterHold Wrote:(September 4, 2020 at 5:14 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I think that's very good advice. If someone is ridiculing your religion, it's pretty pointless to try to engage them. Simply walk away, secure in your own bigotry and ignorance.
Of course, there's also Sura 9:5 which says, 'And when the forbidden months have passed, kill the idolaters wherever you find them and take them prisoners, and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent and observe Prayer and pay the Zakat, then leave their way free. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.'
Bit of a poser for you, I'm sure.
Boru
It's a good thing we agree on the first part.
But the part concerning "verse 5 of Sura 9" is an out of context statement that doesn't show what the rest of the Sura -nor the context of the verse- even speaks about; you quoted verse 9:5 alone quoting verses 9:4 9:5 9:6 will tell us a very different story than the one you claimed:
Quote:Sura 9, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=9_1&m=hafs&qaree=husary&trans=en_sh
( 4 ) Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].
( 5 ) And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
( 6 ) And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.
Why didn't you mention the "exception" in verse 4?
Why didn't you mention the "asylum" allowance to many of the polytheists in verse 6?
Why didn't you mention the religious binding on Muslims not just to provide protection for refugees; but also to deliver them to their destination safely ?
Verse 5 is for the polytheists who wanted war, so don't you think it's really unfair of you to ask Muslims to be sitting ducks waiting for the slaughter ?
Your post is cherry picking a verse out of its context.
I didn’t mention any of that because I was cherry-picking.
I was pointing out that this is what religious fanatics (all religious fanatics, not just the Muslim ones) do. They hunt and peck for whichever verses they think will give them the ok to behave really, incredibly badly, whether it’s blowing up school buses, shooting up mosques, or discriminating against gay people.
Fortunately, the majority of religionists (well, the majority of all people, really) don’t do that.
Boru
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