RE: Question about "faith"
September 13, 2020 at 7:58 am
(This post was last modified: September 13, 2020 at 8:03 am by Angrboda.)
(September 13, 2020 at 6:24 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:(September 13, 2020 at 3:02 am)Angrboda Wrote: I asked how we know. You answered how we don't know. It's possible that we don't know anything.
It's not possible, but true by definition, that we don't know anything - if we have no way of knowing other than feeling a certain way about a thing.
You drawing a blank for knowledge claims that arise from something other than feeling a certain way about a thing?
Producing such a knowledge claim would be a valid method of supporting your initial assertion. So, produce an example of a knowledge claim that we know to be true apart from feeling that we know and I will accept, at least provisionally, that you have supported your initial assertion. Failing that, I'm left to conclude that at this stage I have no reason to conclude that your assertion is true except perhaps ipse dixit.
(September 13, 2020 at 6:24 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:Quote:But I started with the assumption that what you said was true, that we know things on the one hand, and that we have faith on the other hand. I asked you to show me how. What you gave me isn't a way to know something. Maybe it's a way to not know something. But it's not a way to know something, which is what I asked for.Have you considered the difference between feeling a certain way about christ, and noticing that you breath, as I suggested?
I have, and I noted something that I thought to remark upon earlier, which is that you seem to be conflating truth and knowledge. The specific example you gave was being alive. You said, ""I am alive" is not knowledge, it's not true - it's just a feeling." It's possible for the proposition, "I'm alive," to be true without it being knowledge. Truth and knowledge are different animals. So while under most conceptions of knowledge, it is necessary for something to be true if it is knowledge, the reverse is not true. Truth and knowledge aren't interchangeable.
(September 13, 2020 at 6:24 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:Quote:(ETA: It's possible you are misreading the question. If my question were, "How do we know that we know apart from feeling like we know?" then your response would have been an answer to my question. That wasn't what I asked, however, but rather, "How do we know what we know apart from feeling like we know?" And note, my question itself assumes that we do in fact know things, so this rant of yours about not knowing as an answer to that particular question would just be a red herring.)
Do you feel a certain way about a thing, or know that?
I don't know that they're necessarily mutually exclusive, so it's possible that your question represents a false dichotomy. Without knowing whether it is or isn't a false dichotomy, I can't answer the question. I'm not asserting one way or the other. You are. Which leads us back to the above questions which must be resolved, therefore, before this question here can be resolved. You've got the cart ahead of the horse.
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