[Serious] G-20 leaders, don’t forget the women’s rights advocates rotting in Saudi prisons

[WinterHold]

Why, do the members of the g20 have clean human rights records?  Who certifies the cleanliness of any given country in that regard?  If a country -isn't- in your alliance, pact, or agreement, what incentives and what legal recourse do you (or they) have to compel their (or your) actions?

This may expose a fundamental difference of opinion.  We in the west generally tend to believe that our political ideals will win out in a direct competition for hearts an minds.  We don't want to exclude people to make them comply, we prefer to include them, and once they're in, apply pressure from all sides.  There are pragmatic benefits to dealing with the authorities of a country as they are, rather than regime changing our way to what we want in every instance.

I said the following:
https://atheistforums.org/thread-61620-p...pid1999267

[b]WinterHold said:[/b]

The G20 is in no position to change the culture of any country.

But it is in position to set rules that govern who joins it.
Saudi Arabia should never be allowed to join their meetings before having a clean human rights record.
That -as you see- is not changing of culture: that is enforcing a term for dealing with the kingdom -or any other country-,

Please stay on topic. Nobody spoke about "cleaning HR records" but you.
Thank you.

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Yes. The G20 is in no position to change the culture of any country.
But it is in position to set rules that govern who joins it.

Saudi Arabia should never be allowed to join their meetings before having a clean human rights record.
That -as you see- is not changing of culture: that is enforcing a term for dealing with the kingdom -or any other country-,

If a clean human rights record is the standard, there would BE no G20.

I find it both amusing and sad that you want a gaggle of countries who - without exception - have blemished records on human rights (some of them countries which you persistently rail against for that very reason) to correct human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia.

Boru

https://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Issues/B...ptNote.pdf

CONCEPT NOTE Time to act: Governments as catalysts for business respect for human rights A key message from the 2018 UN Forum on Business and Human Rights was that governments must step up their action and leadership. Currently, they are not doing enough to meet their duty to protect against business-related human rights abuse. While important legal developments are evolving in some jurisdictions,and the number of countries developing national action plans on business and human rights continuesto grow, the effectiveness of current efforts and the lack of wider action are being called into question.

We are speaking about the time to act for g20 governments to stop HR abuses; just like the UN said to them.