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Poll: 'Pyramid of Capitalism' is an accurate depiction?
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Pyramid of Capitalism
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RE: Pyramid of Capitalism
Quote:No. That is a specific anarchism called "Anarcho-primitivism", which is not very popular. Anarcho-syndicalism is VERY technology friendly...it's even nicknamed "techno-anarchy". I will also point out that there is also another form of governing close to Syndicalism called "Technocracy".
And really, how do you expect for technology to progress if there is no funding?
Who will fund technology? You?
Quote:Many anarchists are very bright and educated and enjoy technology.

Not to mention you made yet ANOTHER mistake in your posting. You have equated law and order with technology.
Well, we all enjoy technology. However without funding, technology won't really progress more than it has now.
Quote:Yes they can and yes they do. A very quick example is mercenaries, or guns for hire. Of course, I dispise mercs. Any army system you can think of can exist without a government. In other words, military is MILITARY. They have their own comand structure. Surely you, being the military buff that you are, should understand this?
Mercenaries are guns for hire. However, they are guns for hire. They are not loyal to any governments, people, or anyone besides their own pockets.
You expect such people to guard your property and lives?
Military is not simply military. My military is made up of my own people. Not by anyone elses. And those are the only ones I'd ever trust.

Quote:The militia won the American Revolutionary war and rubbed the king of Englands face in his own shit over 200 years ago. The government of America back in that day was barely starting, so they depended on individuals coming forward and doing what they could to revolt against the government that enthralled them.
And they worked towards the goal of setting up a government themselves.
Because they too knew that without governance, nothing will work in the first place.
They also wrote a bill of rights, amendments and etc, important documents that govern your law and governance even today.
Quote:LOL. You mean to tell me that a cop will take a bullet for me? LMFAO! That sentence was rather naive of you.
A cop might stop that person from firing a bullet however.
Like imagine yourself being raped. The rapist has a gun. No one comes to your help. However the police has to, because that's what they are for.
And again, these are the ones who bring offenders to justice.
Law and justice is the basis of property.
And the police are there to enforce it.
Quote:.and how will this differ if the guy next door to YOU, in your government run country, does the same thing and builds a militia big anough to split the country in half? In other words, how is that ANY different from the chances you are taking right now in your heavily governed state?
They split the country in half. Icecream eaters are on the one side, non-eaters are on the other. And they both will enact laws in accordance with eachother and set up different governments.
In any case, a government will be set up.
I'll give you an example from our own war of independence.
Before we started to really battle the invaders besides small gangs that fought them by means of guerilla warfare, which didn't really halt their advance by any margain, our founding fathers first set up a government to actually do things properly. This government provided the basis for the later Turkish government, after we won the war.
This would not have been possible if decisions were not made in an orderly fashion, and with good governance.
Quote:I point you back up to my original quote that a military has its own internal command structure independent of STATE government.
Indeed, however the military strives to protect the state and it's people. Not itself.
Quote:LOLOLOLOLOLOL...OMG....honestly. You think companies obey laws? You think wallstreet follows regulations? Look up East India Company.
And this is the reason you want to abolish laws and regulations?
I think this is only the case where laws and regulations are not properly enforced, or are being lax, because of the selfish interests of others, like yourself. I'm sure you would also give a blind eye to any companies that would stuff your pockets with the green.
Corruption occurs when people flaunt the law. However, removing the law does not make corruption less corrupt because it's not defined by a law anymore.
Quote:then that basically means you are an asshole doesnt it? You are telling me that you would willing do horrible and bad things because there is no government to stop you.
Maybe not me. But someone would. And without laws, government and any assorted things that make them reconsider each of their moves, who can say how they will behave.
Quote:Syndicalism gives everyone an equal share of the pie. they will have what they need. If someone wants more, how long do you think they will get before someone stops them? How about Germany? They went from decent republic to Fascism in leass than 5 years. What was the protection that their former government good for?
Equal share? You think that you will have an equal share in a place with no law and order? You surely are delusional. Besides, what are you sharing, exactly? What is this pie you speak of? What are you trading?
What are you producing? What exactly is this pie?

Quote:you speak of government as if it is something permanent and protective. Yet an elementary pass through the governments of history reveal that all governments fail, and are sometimes IMMEDIATELY usurped by unsavory folk like the Nazi's.
However, the Nazis were aware of certain things like ethnic loyalties. And they built their country along these lines. And well, Germany did actually rise quickly after they gave the triple entente the finger.
This is because Germany was harmonized very, very quickly. A strict authority was set up, and the pure fire of nationalism too, drove people to work towards a common goal.
Quote:All you are doing is wringing your hands at me in that post. there is not one single guarentee for or against any type of government system.
And in your world, there is no guarantee for anything. Not even for running water, electricity, or food in grocery stores.
There is only the most base law of nature.
What if I own large foodstocks with my family, and you are forced to buy them from me so you can survive? And you are compelled to work in slaving conditions in the business of another family, and buy scarce food from me for outrageous prices? Do you hope for the free market to do it's magic on them?
Quote:What if your neighbor decides to up and murder you in the night? Where was your government and law and order to help you then?
He/she will be brought to justice. He/she will pay for that crime.
And in your world?
Who will bring the murderer to justice? A relative of yours? If your relatives are like you, I'm not sure if they'll even care if you get killed by anyone as to actually avenge your blood.
Quote:And, as usual, you completely get anarchy wrong. Have you even looked it up? Have you done ANY research on it? I think quite a few things will run on their own. If people are willing to do things, then it will get done. If people are NOT willing to do things, then I suggest slavery is being forced upon the masses if they are forced to do such things.
Whatever research I'll make about it, if it states an absurd, and far-fetched idea of removing the government, laws and state, and hope for people to act reasonably in a world where there is no guarantee for anything, is not going to change my mind.

Nothing will run on it's own. You can perhaps automatize major aspects of the industry. However you cannot do the same with major parts of the civil industry. You cannot do that without an environment with full abundance. And frankly, with the selfish worldview that you propagate, I'm not sure that we will ever see it either.
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Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - October 26, 2011 at 12:31 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by Phaedra - October 26, 2011 at 2:29 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - October 26, 2011 at 2:36 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by Phaedra - October 26, 2011 at 2:42 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by Violet - October 26, 2011 at 10:21 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by kılıç_mehmet - October 27, 2011 at 9:46 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - October 27, 2011 at 3:21 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by HeyItsZeus - October 27, 2011 at 4:30 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - October 27, 2011 at 4:41 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by kılıç_mehmet - October 27, 2011 at 8:52 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by Angrboda - October 29, 2011 at 6:31 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - October 30, 2011 at 10:40 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by HeyItsZeus - October 28, 2011 at 8:31 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by Violet - October 28, 2011 at 9:38 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by HeyItsZeus - October 29, 2011 at 7:30 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by kılıç_mehmet - October 29, 2011 at 11:22 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - October 30, 2011 at 11:23 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by downbeatplumb - October 30, 2011 at 1:02 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - October 30, 2011 at 2:03 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by Zen Badger - October 31, 2011 at 8:38 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by The Grand Nudger - October 27, 2011 at 10:54 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by kılıç_mehmet - October 27, 2011 at 1:16 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - October 27, 2011 at 3:26 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by Violet - October 27, 2011 at 11:04 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by fr0d0 - October 27, 2011 at 11:17 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by bozo - November 2, 2011 at 3:45 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by The Grand Nudger - October 27, 2011 at 11:19 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by 5thHorseman - October 27, 2011 at 11:32 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by The Grand Nudger - October 27, 2011 at 1:42 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by bozo - October 27, 2011 at 3:07 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by 5thHorseman - October 27, 2011 at 3:26 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by Cinjin - October 27, 2011 at 4:10 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by 5thHorseman - October 30, 2011 at 11:36 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by bozo - October 27, 2011 at 4:06 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2011 at 10:35 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by Violet - October 30, 2011 at 12:19 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2011 at 11:04 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by 5thHorseman - October 30, 2011 at 12:41 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by 5thHorseman - October 30, 2011 at 1:18 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by kılıç_mehmet - October 31, 2011 at 4:02 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by Violet - October 31, 2011 at 11:21 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by kılıç_mehmet - October 31, 2011 at 2:46 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by Violet - October 31, 2011 at 7:22 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - October 31, 2011 at 8:10 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by kılıç_mehmet - November 1, 2011 at 2:24 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - November 1, 2011 at 7:52 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by kılıç_mehmet - November 1, 2011 at 8:29 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by Violet - October 31, 2011 at 9:45 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by Violet - November 1, 2011 at 11:44 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by kılıç_mehmet - November 1, 2011 at 2:58 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by Violet - November 1, 2011 at 3:34 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by kılıç_mehmet - November 1, 2011 at 5:35 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by Violet - November 1, 2011 at 6:27 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by kılıç_mehmet - November 1, 2011 at 7:49 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - November 1, 2011 at 9:47 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by theVOID - November 1, 2011 at 10:23 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by kılıç_mehmet - November 2, 2011 at 6:55 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by Violet - November 2, 2011 at 3:59 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - November 2, 2011 at 8:20 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by theVOID - November 3, 2011 at 7:07 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - November 3, 2011 at 10:45 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by theVOID - November 3, 2011 at 11:03 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - November 4, 2011 at 8:37 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by theVOID - November 6, 2011 at 5:18 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - November 4, 2011 at 10:06 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by Erinome - November 4, 2011 at 10:18 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - November 6, 2011 at 6:50 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by theVOID - November 21, 2011 at 8:36 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by Violet - November 9, 2011 at 11:29 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - November 9, 2011 at 10:51 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by MrGuitar - November 16, 2011 at 6:53 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - November 16, 2011 at 9:44 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by Violet - November 17, 2011 at 11:17 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by MrGuitar - November 17, 2011 at 4:21 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by Violet - November 17, 2011 at 4:32 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - November 17, 2011 at 5:37 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by Violet - November 17, 2011 at 5:54 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by frankiej - November 18, 2011 at 12:07 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - November 18, 2011 at 12:21 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by paintpooper - November 18, 2011 at 4:56 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - November 18, 2011 at 8:04 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by kılıç_mehmet - November 18, 2011 at 8:10 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by bozo - November 18, 2011 at 8:20 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by kılıç_mehmet - November 18, 2011 at 9:28 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by bozo - November 18, 2011 at 9:45 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by kılıç_mehmet - November 18, 2011 at 9:58 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by bozo - November 19, 2011 at 3:09 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - November 22, 2011 at 10:06 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by theVOID - November 22, 2011 at 11:00 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - November 22, 2011 at 11:09 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by theVOID - November 22, 2011 at 11:15 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - November 22, 2011 at 11:52 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by paintpooper - November 23, 2011 at 1:10 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by Violet - November 23, 2011 at 4:30 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - November 23, 2011 at 6:51 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by bozo - November 23, 2011 at 7:48 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - November 26, 2011 at 4:50 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by kılıç_mehmet - November 26, 2011 at 6:05 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by bozo - November 26, 2011 at 6:11 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by kılıç_mehmet - November 26, 2011 at 6:17 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by bozo - November 26, 2011 at 6:39 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by kılıç_mehmet - November 26, 2011 at 7:17 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by bozo - November 26, 2011 at 6:05 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by bozo - November 26, 2011 at 8:12 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by kılıç_mehmet - November 26, 2011 at 8:21 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by bozo - November 27, 2011 at 6:19 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by Justtristo - November 27, 2011 at 9:09 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - November 26, 2011 at 9:34 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by kılıç_mehmet - November 27, 2011 at 11:08 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by The Grand Nudger - November 27, 2011 at 12:14 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - November 27, 2011 at 12:30 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by reverendjeremiah - November 27, 2011 at 9:12 pm
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by Violet - November 28, 2011 at 1:02 am
RE: Pyramid of Capitalism - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2011 at 2:28 am

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