RE: God so hated the world
November 30, 2020 at 4:04 pm
(This post was last modified: November 30, 2020 at 4:19 pm by Greatest I am.)
(November 30, 2020 at 2:37 am)ronedee Wrote:(November 30, 2020 at 2:35 am)SUNGULA Wrote: 1. Most of them are made up or at the very least heavily mythologized
2.The mere existence of a problem implies a less optimal world. If God creates the world then no else can be blamed for its sub-optimal state. This of course assumes god is real something I don't accept, And of course, we are to blame for our problems and we have to solve them. We have no other option in a godless universe.
3. We have no reason to do as you suggest and every reason to do the contrary
4.A barbaric blood sacrifice pays for nothing let alone the collective suffering of all of humanity
5.Freewill does not get your god off the hook. There is no contradiction between a world without evil or evil acts and one with freewill. God if he existed didn't create such a world. So no he bears the blame.
So to sum up
If God creates a bad world he is responsible for its badness
If God does not solve the issue he is responsible for that decision
A Blood Sacrifice is not a solution
We have no reason to follow your advice
Freewill and a world without evil are not contradictory
Overall your Theodicy is bad
One uneducated opinion.
Next!
If you really believe this, then lets chat about the morality or immorality of Yahweh punishing the innocent instead of the guilty and calling that justice.
Christians always run from moral discussions, but I feel you need it badly, given you adoring a genocidal prick of a god and all.
On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way.
It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.
Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.
It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.
To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.
Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that.
Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk.
Regards
DL
(November 30, 2020 at 3:58 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:(November 30, 2020 at 3:40 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: He let Satan test Job to solidify Satan disgust and hatred towards God and humans.I'm curious. You refer to Satan as "her". May I ask why? I haven't heard of Satan being female before.
Satan, being less of a mass murderer than Yahweh, was wise in solidifying her hatred toward a vile mass murderer who like to pull the wings off of Job for the fun of it.
I myself hate the immoral people who glorify a genocidal god.
I also hate all those who love Hitler and Stalin etc.
What do you find compelling in the genocidal? Why do you adore a mass murderer who kills when he could just as easily cure?
Moral people want to know how the immoral think.
Regards
DL
No, I'm not being sarcastic...I find this interesting.
I see it as a given in scriptures as women, to it, are the epitome of evil. Just read on how it bad mouths women. He will rule over you, men over women, in in Gen 3. Women are also told to not dare try to teach men anything in the temple.
Have a look at this picture and tell us if you see Satan, with those breasts, as a male or female?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:...den_00.jpg
If that is not enough, I have quotes from prominent Christians that show women as lower than the low.
As you look at that famous painting, do not turn Eve's head back to it's former position. It is too suggestive as to why they were expelled.
Regards
DL