RE: The Purpose of Pain
January 29, 2021 at 9:52 am
(This post was last modified: January 29, 2021 at 10:27 am by The Grand Nudger.)
To exploit pain avoidance as a recruiting and conformity tool. We don't just avoid real or actual pain. We avoid imagined and expected pain. Imagining and expecting pain, in fact, causes actual pain, lol.
I think that we have to remember that the people who put this stuff together into a cohesive religion weren't just making a church, they were attempting to form a civil government, and had, as a consequence of their birth as a part of a state, already pulled in some quirks of state.
If you wanted a more procedural answer, it's because the augistinian faction of the catholic church beat the living shit out of the arminian and universalist sets. Heaven sits opposite hell as a necessity of their theological view on the limits of gods love, the irreconcilability of some people with god, and the retributive model of justice. The sorting hat has to have places to send the two types of people. Those god loves, and those he does not and never will.
It creates issues for it's own position, ofc. It's unclear how an eternal life without some parts of human experience could be fulfilling or as-fulfilling-as a normal human life. Once we exhaust all of the non-pain possibilities, we still have eternity to go, and that remaining pain content is locked outside of permissible content in gods kingdom. Hence the syncretic reincarnation and pain tourism beliefs that some christians hold today. Outside of that, it seems as though it would take a sustaining act of gods power to maintain the premise and promise of a blissful afterlife. When we reach that point, if we reach that point, however long it takes - we're either lobotomized by god, in his wisdom, or we fall to earth...in our desire....or heaven becomes intolerable hell.
I think that we have to remember that the people who put this stuff together into a cohesive religion weren't just making a church, they were attempting to form a civil government, and had, as a consequence of their birth as a part of a state, already pulled in some quirks of state.
If you wanted a more procedural answer, it's because the augistinian faction of the catholic church beat the living shit out of the arminian and universalist sets. Heaven sits opposite hell as a necessity of their theological view on the limits of gods love, the irreconcilability of some people with god, and the retributive model of justice. The sorting hat has to have places to send the two types of people. Those god loves, and those he does not and never will.
It creates issues for it's own position, ofc. It's unclear how an eternal life without some parts of human experience could be fulfilling or as-fulfilling-as a normal human life. Once we exhaust all of the non-pain possibilities, we still have eternity to go, and that remaining pain content is locked outside of permissible content in gods kingdom. Hence the syncretic reincarnation and pain tourism beliefs that some christians hold today. Outside of that, it seems as though it would take a sustaining act of gods power to maintain the premise and promise of a blissful afterlife. When we reach that point, if we reach that point, however long it takes - we're either lobotomized by god, in his wisdom, or we fall to earth...in our desire....or heaven becomes intolerable hell.
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