RE: Is there free will in heaven?
November 5, 2011 at 11:32 am
(This post was last modified: November 5, 2011 at 11:35 am by Greatest I am.)
(November 4, 2011 at 7:35 pm)IATIA Wrote:(November 4, 2011 at 1:47 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: I did not read all the entries but-----
Dogma says that there is free will in heaven as well as here.
Our first example of free will here was in Eden.
We all know what happened to A & E the very first time they did their will and not God’s will.
God threw a sissy fit all over A & E, the whole world and all of us with original sin.
This I think shows clearly that the free will God offers is -----Do things my way or burn forever. That is the dictates of a tyrant who does not give free will at all but one who demand that his will always be done by all of us. Slavery.
Regards
DL
Actually, would not the first example be the choice some angels made to rebel against tyrannical ruler of heaven? That puts 'free will' right in the ballpark. The original question was dealing with 'us', I believe, and that would rule out Adam and Eve, as they were in Eden and not in heaven. And apparently never got there.
If one believes in angels and heaven and the revolt there, then yes, angels would either have to have a free will, or not have any and just be working for God.
The rebellion then would not have happened and Satan would just be God's loyal opposition.
As to mankind.
It is my belief that freedom or free will is not something that can be given unless it is being held back somehow.
We are all born with free will. It is hard wired in us by evolution.
You and I have the ability right now to go out and kill for instance. Our free will is what we exercise in not doing so.
No one can give us that freedom. We can take it though if we choose to.
Freedom or free will cannot be given. It can only be taken.
Even with that, as evolving creatures, we only have two choices that we can make with each other and the environment. Compete or cooperate.
Regards
DL
